I don't like HSR, construction and maintenance costs are very high, and energy consumption is also an issue (at least from an efficiency point of view). I think more lines, albeit slower are much better, HSR tends to be too expensive, and if we had segregated lanes for high capacity buses running on biodiesel we could have a winner.

I think the only country that is following the french lead seriously is Spain, we are obsessed with HSR and lots of highways, so our solution to mobility and the energy crisis is building more roads and HSR. Another big problem with HSR is that it eats a big part of the budget. At least, in our future  transport plans there is a return of light rail urban and suburban, that is a step in the right direction, IMHO.

I have proposed, for the US, semi-high speed rail that carries both people and freight.  Passengers at 110 mph, 175 kph and freight at up to 100 mph, 160 kph.  Connecting cities within 250 miles, 400 km.

The existing Northeast Corridor (Boston to DC) down to Miami and west to Kansas City via Chicago, etc.  I 6think that it is the best option for the US, rather than true pax only HSR.

ICE in Germany is the equal of TGV, just a decade behind.

Peaknik, Alan;
  Do you have any comparisons available on the maintenance requirements of Railways vs Paved Road?  I know track maintenance is pretty steep, but with Asphalt going up these days, how do they compare?

  Also, is there a way to design railways to improve on their railbeds' durability?  I know that with such a massive, installed base of legacy equipment, the thought of changing the basic structure of it would be monumental.. but still, how would you design a rail system, if you could start from scratch?  Wider wheelbase, Different track structure?  Tie systems?

  I spoke with a guy in the rail industry at an unrelated event recently in Atlanta, and he told me about the big 'changover' in 1939? to a unified gauge, all over Christmas/New Years week.  Who isn't thrilled by a story about a monumental, almost insane effort, where everyone has go go above and beyond..  well buckle-up, I guess.. ours is coming!

Bob Fiske

I have no figures and few facts but rail could be easier to maintain then roadways since the roadbed is hidden below pavement while the railtracke can be adjusted and the macadam worked with.

But on the other hand railway maintainace disrupts the traffic flow much more then road maintainance...

I think the biggest difference if you started from scratch would be larger loading gauges for wider and higher loads and higher unified platforms. This would at least be relevant for most european countries. The wheelbase dont matter as much.

If you had enough rail to have two complete systems it could make some sense to have a narrower wheel base for light and medium heavy rail passenger only traffic and a wider one for cargo and long distance travel. But this probably only made sense in earlier times when earth moving equipment were primitive and concrete expensive and the smaller turning radii of a narrow wheelbase mattered a lot for the building cost. Large parts  of southern Sweden once had a 891 mm network, three swedish feet from before metrification. One small part of the 891 mm network have survived for commuting to Stockhom and there are a few museum railways. The rest is either scrapped or widened to standard gauge. Had those lines been built now none would have been built as narrow gauge.

There are differences between now and then. The war time electrifications in the early 40:s disrupted the traffic flow a lot less and where made faster then those being made today in Sweden. Back then most of the labour were done manually, they used manny more workers, the equipment installed where lighter and security procedures much simpler. They could more or less suspend working within a few minutes and step off the track when a train approched.
But that were an mobilization effort and today we optimize for cost with a completely different cost for labour and other machines being available.

The big change over that jokuhl/Bob Fiske referred to occurred not in the 20th century but in the 19th. When railways were originally developed in Great Britain, the Great Western Railway used a track width of 7 feet. All the other companies used the standard width of four feet eight and a half inches.
The differences obviously led to problems and, with the aid of  a large number of navvies, the Great Western was converted to the standard gauge. If memory serves me right, it took a weekend for the conversion, but presumably the amount of track was small at that time.
astronomer1
A few other countries have undertaken rail gauge conversions. After the Civil War, much of the Southern US' rail infrastructure was converted to standart gauge (4' 8.5"). India is converting much of its narrow-gauge track to its broad gauge standard of 5' 6". After 1992 Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia converted lines from Russia's broad gauge to standard gauge, which is predominant in the EU.

High speed systems around the world are being built to standard gauge, evin if the home country (Spain, Japan, and Taiwan, for example) uses another gauge for its conventional system.

There is a move in Europe to integrate the formerly separate national rail networks into a single european network with common technical specifications, signaling systems, and the like, and some big infrastucture projects that will create trans-european high-speed and freight networks.

Asia is divided into several large "gauge oceans" of differing gauges; Western Asia, including Turkey and Iran, are predominantly standard gauge, as is China; the Indian Subcontinent is mostly the 5' 6" gauge; Russia and the Central Asian republics are mostly 5' gauge; and Southeast Asia is mostly meter gauge. Projects across Asia, like the Bosporus rail bridge, a standard gauge railway connecting China and Iran across Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and the linking up of the Iranian and Pakistani rail networks across southeast Iran, are slowly knitting together Eurasia into a single network, although with several major breaks of gauge. It will be interesting to see whether the advent of Peak Oil and Global Climate Change will create a push for more linked up, inter-operable, and electrified rail networks across large regions.

The new Swiss rail tunnels, where speciality freight will move  at 160 kph/100 mph and pax as fast as 250 kph, are being built to a 100 year standard.  No major maintenance for a century despite over a dozen trains/hr (both ways).

Japan rail is all narrow guage 3.5 feet except their high speed rail network.

I would have built the track gauge slightly larger (New Orleans gauge of 5'2.5", 6 inches wider than standard) but with wider loading gauge and more overhead clearance.

Biggest change would be electrifying every rail line.  Perhaps  every other frieght car would have 1 electric motor and one driven axle.  This would increase traction, acceleration & braking and allow for steeper grades on the track (much cheaper).

Changes today ?

Electrify at 60 kV AC, double & triple track most lines (back to 1950s), drill more tunnels, develop light weight & streamlined rail cars (aluminum, titanium, carbon composite) and my network of semi-high speed pax & freight rail lines.  Most areas of US are served by two rail companies, try and build a third (perhaps my semi-high speed line).

Build more rail bypass lines around cities (save existing track for local service) and add more grade seperation (see Alameda (spelling) in Los Angeles).  Rail tunnel to bypass most of NYC.

I am intrigued by Swiss plans to build quiet rail cars, making trains quieter.

Change US safety regulations closer to EU & Japanese standards.  Improve signaling, thus allowing more trains/hour on track, better scheduling.  Car tracking & routing is currently improving (bar codes & computers).

Off the top of my head :-)

Best Hopes,

Alan

Took some time to locate the exact essay I was looking for, but this anectodal evidence suggests that the rails themselves can last for a very long time (100+years)
http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/OWYtrip/OWYtrip_c.htm
scroll down to just above where the second set of pics start to show:
What is this stuff? 65 lb? I am amazed that stuff holds a 425,000 lb loco or a 286,000 lb coal car. It was rolled by Carnegie Steel in 1902.

also, this short story (about halfway down the page) is quite wellwritten, it is the tale about a locomotive, 15 coal cars, a bet and a skilled engineer. One of the more exciting things I have read this week :)
http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/kiewit/kiewit.htm

The ammeter climbed back to 850 then went right on to 855 and approached 860. I felt it in my butt first, before the ammeter dipped or the chant of the 567 lightened. I slapped the throttle down one notch but it didn't respond quick enough. The SD9 slipped. The wheelslip circuit detected the stumble and cut the load even more.

This site gives a view into the world of american railfreight, always from the engineers perspective.

The TGV is the only profitable sector of the SNCF (French railways), and it is massively profitable. It enables them to carry a loss on regional trains. You need a certain critical size of network to make it really work. In the past two weeks, I have been making business trips from Lyon to Lille and Reims. The trains start at Marseille or Montpellier, and they terminate at Lille or Brussels. Few people go the whole distance (5 to 6 hours), but many do 2 to 3 hour hops, like me. These are 8-car double deckers, and they are full most of the way.
Peaknik, while I agree with your last statement that more light rail service is needed, I must object to your statements regarding high speed rail.

"I don't like HSR, construction and maintenance costs are very high"

Relative to what?  Certainly not relative to large highways.

"energy consumption is also an issue (at least from an efficiency point of view)"

That depends on what you are comparing it to.  Compared to rail service at slower speeds (say, 200 km/h) true high speed rail (300+ km/h) is less efficient.  Compared to anything that runs on rubber tires it is likely more efficient, and compared to smaller vehicles with rubber tires it is a runaway winner.

http://strickland.ca/efficiency.html

Take a look at the table: the TGV Duplex achieves a gasoline-equivalent 506 passenger-mpg in actual service (using quoted 80% overall load factor).  Even the least efficient European high-speed rail figure I could find was a potential (all seats filled) of 412 passenger-mpg for the AVE.  You are unlikely to better that figure with a diesel bus going even 1/3 as fast.  Compared to cars?  No contest.  There simply is no comparison - electrically-propelled rail service is remarkably efficient.

Contrast with airliner efficiencies on the order of 50 passenger-mpg - 1/10 as efficient!!!  HSR also consumes less land - I recall reading the original TGV line (Paris-Lyon) in total consumed less land than one Paris airport.  It's a piece of land that's distinctly longer in one dimension, but the overall area is smaller.  I think in terms of efficiency HSR is a big winner when the alternative is flying.  Lower speed rail service may be more energy efficient but total energy consumption will be much higher if the service does not attract people away from air travel.