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You've exposed the thread that, once pulled, reveals a whole host of complications viz. improving mass transit on LI. The third-track project is opposed by numerous local civic groups along the right of way, the members of which don't want to be displaced or inconvenienced by the project.
Electrification of the Oyster Bay line won't happen because many people on the line don't want it to happen. They are used to the commute, as long and inconvenient as it is. Electrifying the line will only make this part of the north shore more attractive, increasing the pressure to develop what's left as open space. As an aside, the local myth is that a chief muckity-muck of the LIRR lives in Mill Neck and done his best to prevent electrification, in addition to getting the Mill Neck rail station closed down (because it's near his house).
Making the OB line more attractive, or any LIRR station for that matter, is meaningless without addressing the parking situation. With few exceptions, parking is limited to the residents of the particular town where the station is located. Even then, parking lots are overcrowded. My knowledge is limited, but are there any multi-story parking garages serving LIRR stations anywhere? Such stations seem to be the norm in places like Montgomery Co., MD.
After talking with my neighbors and fellow commuters, I think the majority of people will fight tooth and nail any effort to improve mass transit if it means more development and more people. The phrase of the day is "I don't want to turn Nassau County in Queens. That's why I left the city." It's a sad situation and makes me think it's time to leave.
In addition to light rail, another potential bright spot is the use of commuter ferries, but these, too, raise the hackles of anyone who sees them as furthering the Queensification" of Nassau County.
Gleaser I think. Edward Gleaser.
He has published pretty widely on this point. Until 1970, US housing prices generally rose about with real incomes, housing didn't get more or less expensive over time (although mortgage financing became easier). Taking the country as a whole.
Since then, there has been a noticeable split. Basically on the coasts, housing prices have risen much, much faster than incomes-- especially Boston, SF-Bay Area, LA, NYC, Washington.
In the inlands, prices have continued to rise at about real incomes (the last 4-5 years have been crazy and one needs to discount those). And so most population growth has been in Sunbelt cities like Atlanta and Phoenix that have mushroomed in size.
Gleaser's analysis attributes 70-80% of that increase in real prices to NIMBY/ zoning controls. Basically in places like Phoenix AZ, they just keep building new subdivisions. And in the 1920s in NYC, townhouses were replaced with 12-20 story apartment buildings.
But what has happened in the 1980s and 90s in NYC is those Upper West Side apartment blocks have not been replaced by 50-60 story buildings. Whereas in a City like Hong Kong, with the same space constraints and explosive growth, they have.
Needless to say the same pattern is reflected in Queens, and then again in Nassau County, Long Island etc. The battle is being fought over the mayor's new development in downtown Brooklyn, and indeed they have reduced the size of the projected development (by about 8%).
If I look at other places (the Barbican complex here in London, the original WTC site) then the 'super block' has not been a successful concept.
It's certainly something to think about, long term. Although some of the stuff coming out of Greenland about the ice cap melting, long term might be 10 years, not 30-50.
Speaking as a Long Islander, I'd say we're like deer caught in the headlights. Few people seem willing or smart enough to start taking the steps to save ourselves. Instead, we fall back on survival instincts, trying to protect our own little pieces of turf.
I loved the movie 'Simple Men', which was set in LI. Then I found out it was actually filmed in Dallas! ;-).
Anyone...feel free to try and talk me out of it (moving to TX, that is). I don't really want to give up on LI.
You can't beat the fares, at least compared to NYC/LI.
I wonder how "long" the DART planners' vision is. As some point, I think the needs develops to travel around the ring, rather than in and out of it.
The 27½-mile southeast-northeast line opens in 2010. Another northwest line, actually west-northwest, should start running in 2011 and be completed in 2013.
I don't know of any city that has a regional peripheral rail transit line. Certainly not New York, Chicago or LA. The only place I can think of where something like this is being built is the Petite Ceinture tramway around Paris. The French are further ahead than anyone on transit development.