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totoneila on April 13, 2006 - 8:05am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello And1,

Thxs for responding.  Could you please give us more information on the 30% of Natgas that is just LOST?  Lost to theft? Lost to old leaking pipelines? Lost to flaring off? Lost to terror attacks on infrastructure? Lost to brutally cold weather fracturing welds and equipment?

Just imagine how many billions of dollars could be saved if you could stop this 30% loss!

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

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mcgowanjm on April 13, 2006 - 10:49am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello Tot,

The Tragedy of the Commons is why Russia won't retrofit.

There is no immediate gain to be had.

The choice is Prevention/Redundancy v Growth.

If Russia picks P/R, it falls behind.

James

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totoneila on April 13, 2006 - 5:29pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello James,

I fully understand your point, but if the Russians only have a two or three year window before their civilization degrades down to the next energy level, even Putin is at great risk from the potential social upheaval.

Maybe that is why Dubai is growing so fast: the world's wealthy see this as a safety haven to retreat to while their native countries decline.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than YEast?

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BabyPeanut on April 13, 2006 - 11:18am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Nigeria: Court Orders Shell to Stop Gas Flaring ... the world's biggest gas flarer, and the practice has contributed more greenhouse gas emissions than all other sources in sub-Saharan Africa combined. ... What happened today was the throwing of a long rope to Shell, hoping that they would for once toe the line of obedience to court orders. We expected Shell's application to be rejected, since the High Court had earlier ruled that gas flaring is illegal and criminal. As it stands, we urge Shell to respect this ruling by ensuring that its representative appear before the judge and that they show the world their detailed plan of action to stop gas flaring by April 2007.
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totoneila on April 13, 2006 - 5:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello BabyPeanut,

I am not a petro-expert, thus the following question.  Why is any flaring occurring anywhere?  You would think that any natgas is worth sending to market, or else repumping underground to be sold later.  Can someone explain to me why this is still occuring?  It seems like such a huge waste!

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

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Leanan on April 13, 2006 - 5:19pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
You would have to build the infrastructure to get it to market, and that costs money no one wants to spend.  

Sometimes, not enough natural gas is flared to be worth it.   East Africa is probably the only area where significant amounts are still flared.

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BabyPeanut on April 13, 2006 - 7:46pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
We've already made the mistake of helping China have an industrial revolution and look what the consquences are.

If we help Africa have an industrial revolution too we will be competing with them for energy resources.

If you don't flare off natural gas it's probably worse for the greenhouse effects since methane are worse than those of carbon dioxide.

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