I agree that we need to pay a lot more attention to our electrical distribution infrastructure; there was a wave of interest after the 2003 blackout, but it has since subsided.

There are, apparently, a lot of existing technologies that can be used to distribute and condition power much more effectively and reliably than our current systems do (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.07/juice.html). However, these require an up-front investment and continuous reinvestment, which our deregulated energy companies are disinclined to do; they are busier watching quarterly profit-and-loss statements than figuring out how to deliver "nine-nines" (99.9999999) reliability.

As Amory Lovins points out, the end use is what matters, and focusing on end-use efficiency is a much better post-peak strategy than trying to push more energy into a system with huge transmission losses and inefficiencies. I just bought some more compact fluorescent bulbs to replace the last incandescent bulbs (I wonder why they are still being sold!); if they (as advertised) consume a quarter the electricity of the equivalent incandescent, then I can decrease my electrical consumption for lighting by 75% with no loss of amenity. And since there are are such huge losses in electrical generation and transmission, increasing efficiency at the point of use translates into huge "upstream" savings.

I was reminded of this by Tainter's comments at the "Peak Oil and the Environment" conference; I transcribed a section that caught my attention:

...[A high-gain system] yields high return on effort, and is typically so large as to seem inexhaustible. There is little incentive to conserve, and it would be counter-productive to do so. The resource is used profligately. And so the pesticide sellers treat the farmers the way we treat pools of petroleum; their strategy is to use and discard. In contrast, the resources in low-gain systems are scarce, and must be used conservatively. There is pressure for efficiency. Low-gain systems are often paradoxically impressive for their complexity of organization. The reason is that each unit of production in a low-gain system generates only a small surplus. To accomplish work, these small surpluses have to be aggregated.  This requires many channels to transmit the surplus energy, and correspondingly complex organization.

When I read Tainter's work, I wonder whether he distinguishes between "complex" and "complicated" systems. A number of system theorists do:

A complex system is a system with a large number of elements, building blocks or agents, capable of interacting with each other and with their environment. The interaction between elements may occur only with immediate neighbors or with distant ones; the agents can be all identical or different; they may move in space or occupy fixed positions, and can be in one state or multiple states. The common characteristic of all complex systems is that they display organization without any external organizing principle being applied. In the most elaborate examples the agents can learn from past history and modify their states accordingly. Adaptability and robustness is often the byproduct. Part of the system may be altered and the system may still be able to function.

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What is complex and how does it differ from the merely complicated?

The most elaborate mechanical watches are called très compliqué. They are, as their French name implies, complicated. A Star Caliber Patek Phillipe has 103 pieces. A Boeing 747-400 has, excluding fasteners, 3x106 parts. In complicated systems parts have to work in unison to accomplish a function. One key defect (in one of the many critical parts) brings the entire system to a halt. This is why redundancy is built into designs when system failure is not an option (e.g. a nuclear submarine).

The stock market, a termite colony, cities, or the human brain, are complex. The number of parts, e.g. the number of termites in a colony, is not the critical issue. The key characteristic is adaptability. The systems respond to external conditions. A food source is obstructed and an ant colony finds a way to go around the object; a few species become extinct and ecosystems manage to adapt.

(Northwestern Institute of Complex Systems)

It seems that there are circumstances in which being more complicated -- i.e. the global system of oilfields, pipelines, terminals, tankers, refineries, etc. -- brings diminishing returns, but where greater complexity could create greater adaptability and robustness, i.e. dispersed generation by a great number of simple and solid-state renewable energy sources, networked through a super-reliable and efficient electrical grid.

I recommend Kevin Kelley's Out of Control: The New Biology of Machines, Social Systems, and the Economic Work as a good introduction to how complex systems work. On the darker side, the Global Guerillas site explores how complicated systems are vulnerable to deliberate infrastructure distruption.

Hello Rose Selavy,

Well done! Thxs.  Yes, electricity is currently 'complicated'--the key question seems to be whether people will cooperate for 'complexity' changes to benefit all, or if the wealthy will prefer to self-interest 'simplify' the system grid model by going off-grid [helping to promote systemic collapse].

Richard Rainwater, Bush & Cheney, and who knows who else are voting for protective self-interest by building eco-tech PV housing instead of investing these funds into utility companies to help the peasants [Just as Jay Hanson predicted--thus he encourages everybody to prepare to go off-grid ASAP--"BE A NOAH, build an ARK"].

My google readings seem to indicate the wealthy in Africa prefer to buy gensets instead of grid investing too.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

It probably makes sense for some folks, and even some towns, to go off the grid; if one is pretty isolated geographically, the transmission losses and the costs and risks of an attenuated infrastructure, measured against the decreasing costs of self-contained power and water systems and cellular technology, make it cost-effective to do so.

I too am concerned about the richest folks bunkering down while letting the electrical networks decline. As Kunstler recently pointed out on his blog, most of the Americans who are thinking about peak oil at all are focused mostly on how to keep their cars running, with little thought to the electrical grid. I live in a compact city with good electrified transport; if oil is short, people can walk, bicycle, and ride the train; if the electricity goes out, things would start unraveling pretty fast.

Starting in the 1990's, a lot of towns have municipalized their utility networks. It would be interesting to know whether Municipal utilities are making smarter and longer-term decisions about infrastructure; I remember that during California's electricity crisis of 2000-2001, the municipal systems experienced less price volatility and fewer brown-outs and rolling blackouts than the big private utilities (PG&E and Southern California Edison). Many tech companies in the Bay Area, because their business is so dependent on electricity, sought to install backup diesel generators, and most companies I know of have made an investment in uninterruptable power supplies and computer backups. The better, and ultimately more cost-effective, investment would probably be to increase the reliability of the supply on a citywide or regional scale.

Your observation that maintaining widely distributed electrical networks as resources become scarce will become less tenable is an important one. Low-density suburbia and exurbia could find itself in an unpleasant infrastructure squeeze, as road, water, gas, sewer, and electrical infrastructure age and need to be repaired or replaced. Dense or clustered developments that minimize infrastructure, with good access to nearby farmland and energy-efficient rail and water transport, could be better places to live in a powered-down future.

Regarding compact fluorescents vs incadescent:  About two years ago I replaced almost all of my incadescent bulbs with the CFs.  Within a year I had replaced EVERY ONE of the new bulbs.  While they had advertised long life times, not one lasted a full year.  Something not everyone knows is that they all contain mercury.  So which is worse?  Long lived tungsten filaments that use lots of energy or short lived, low energy use bulbs that put mercury in the environment when disposed of?

Like so many issues in modern technology, when you start to think about sustainability you just can't get there from here.

Ther is indeed a lot of variability with CF bulbs.

I found as you did with the ones I bought from IKEA for example (various sizes and shapes all bad)

"Globe" are also fairly grim IMO

For what it's worth if you can find NOMA brand I think you should give them a try. Their 60 watt spiral is now the std. bulb around the house here. The one outside the front door is on all night every night and has been in service for 2 1/2 years.

But I'm still looking for a dim-able CFL that works, and at $10 Canadian a piece I don't want to gamble on any more junk. Anyone found one of these that does what it claims?

To ensure you get 6000 hours when advertised as such, it's best to stick to Energy Star CFLs. I had the same bad luck (imported CFLs from China) at first, but the Energy Star ones (which had a $3 rebate on a $3 bulb here), have lasted for 4 years so far.

Yes, CFLs contain Hg, but the largest source (40%) of Hg in the environment is from coal-burning power plants. This is the nasty stuff that is in the air, water, and soil. The savings on electricity from using CFLs has a much greater impact on Hg emissions from power plants than the Hg potentially leaching into the soil in a land fill from a CFL (though most places have CFL recycling centers so you shouldn't toss them in the trash anyway).

As for dimmables, there are 34 listed at the energystar.gov website. I've used on (Greenlite) and it works as claimed (and full ignition in less than 1 second and full run up in 60).

I've tried to think of the "global power grid" as a 1 block process to convert (raw) energy into electricity.

Input to this block clearly is raw energy (oil, coal, hydro, etc).

Output of the process could be defined as the number of end-user connections X kW's served. One complication mentioned above works here: when will fixed connection cost and variable usage cost run out of balance? Or, when will the first kilowatt be so expensive, you cannot even get to bying the second kilowatt, whatever it's price is? This will lead to a spiral of fixed costs being covered for by less end-user connections overtime, sending more people off-grid, etc.

Then I've looked at the enablers of the process. Covered too in Duncan's paper, this includes the software, operators, relays and what have you in this terribly complex powergrid system. Installing equipment whith better EROIs would be a way to get more juice from the same raw energy. Well, in short, the nine 9's story and it's costs involved happen here [Since Seven of Nine is well underway, maybe she can come up with the last 2 ;)]

Next the process needs controls. Forcing prices so people can only decide to disconnect is a way to control the process by policy. The reason I think this is not a solution is because of the fixed costs issue above. OTOH, it then also seems a good way to force grid disconnections in a 'managed' way.

The last arrow working on the process is often referred to as noise/pollution or system external influences. Here you find the impact of stolen copperwires, hurricanes, lightningstrikes, dams without water, etc. This out-of-control part is what really gets me scared...

Applying such system thinking to the power grid part of OT helps me see where some of the comments fit in, but it hardly helps me in getting deeper understanding. Though, it does give me a better appreciation again for the complexity of what we discuss here.

Last remark about my former employer: "It took the Philips Incandescent Light Works (NV Philips' Gloeilampenfabrieken), officially founded in 1891, four decades to reach the top of the lighting industry. In the first two decades the company became Europe's third largest producer of light bulbs, with a turnover of some € 33 million in 1911 (3.7 million Dutch guilders, converted to Euros of 2003).".

1891 is 40 years before the industrial civilization started as defined by Duncan.....