I don't think this is ultimately workable. Instead, let the market provide the solution - fuel station operators can change the prices of the petrol they sell, can't they?
What do you think is not ultimately workable? Th gas-credit system or the trade-in payroll-tax for gas-tax?

The creditsystem actually uses the free-market. As I propose, the credits can be sold, so the highest bidder can get the most gasoline. But at the same time, the poor people and the not-so-in-need-of gas people get money for their sold credits.

Why would this not work?

I guess I am speaking from an Australian perspective. I'm unaware if massive shortages have occurred here. At least, 'hijackings' are unlikely due to our rational gun policies.

The scheme would require some kind of massive, centralised planning to be enforceable. Charging individuals differing amounts for fuel is the first error, in my opinion. Also assuming that anyone queueing up at a fuel station has 'insider information' - what if all stations in an area are out of petrol? Does that criminalise every person queuing?

It seems you're presenting this idea in the context of some kind of future American society. Instead of working to socialise fuel, I would hope that by 'then', we would have moved away from ICE passenger vehicles.

I also wonder if you're trying to solve the problem from an oil-producer's perspective, or government perspective - basically capitalistic or socialist approaches to the situation.
Checking fuel guages, VIN etc. would all require extra personnel - why not just get some armed guards/police to secure fuel stations, and allow them to sell available supplies for whatever price 'the market' reaches 'equillibrium' at?
Price spikes + extra security seems to solve the issue for me.
If American neighbourhoods devolve into armed confrontations, you only have your military-industrial complex to blame.

Or, simply ration fuel - weren't 'they' already doing that for truckers somewhere?

Why make things more complicated than necessary?

Just about every gasoline pump in the US has a credit card payment slot. Simply allocate, i. e. ration gasoline to a reasonable average user rate, and require all gasoline purchases to be made by credit card. No more gallons on the card, no gasoline.

If there is a problem with that concept peddle it as a homeland security measure, in that we can monitor the driving of terrorist. The folks in the asphalt paradise will lap that up 8-)).

Rationing by allocation will get you long waiting lines & empty supermarkets. It is the most efficient way of wrecking the economy. Have we all forgotten the USSR?
If it comes to the point where we actually have a shortage and need to resort to extreme measures, do you really think the economy is going to be humming along fine?  Hopefully higher oil prices will push us away from ICE cars before the point where we have to start rationing fuel.  At that point the economy is wrecked period...doesn't really matter how you try to solve the crisis.  
Hello Roger,

I believe rationing by price is always more effective than rationing by quantity, and is much easier to administer to boot.  But I see no reason why we couldn't easily setup a two-tier pricing system that would benefit relocalization forces in detritus use, limit the worst of Jeavons' Paradox, yet still respond overall to the international price of crude/barrel.  Scanning the barcode VIN # is much better than the odd-even day rationing we had back in the earlier days and all the corruption it created.

For example, my little scooter combined with my lack of owning a cellphone puts me at a decided disadvantage in moving to the 'early bird' front of the gasoline queue.  A pickup owner, with a cellphone for inside info, and extra gas cans in the back of his pickup can beat me to the forming queue every time.  My attempts at Powerdown are working against me, even if I can afford the 4 gallons to fill my tank, if when I finally reach the gas pump--none is available. Yet, long-term, I want the price to go as high as possible, so others will be forced to eventually downscale in their vehicle use too.  

Trust me: I had the gas siphoned out of my '69 GMC pickup in the early seventies--It was no fun waiting 24 hours till my even-day came up, then waiting in a hours-long queue in the blazing sun with a five gallon gas can to later heft a quarter mile home for the partial refilling of my tank.

Riding a scooter vs. driving my old pickup effectively triples my energy circle's radius; I can cover a much larger territory, if needed, for the same cost.  But, by staying within the original radii or less; by trying to relocalize myself as much as possible, it creates big savings for me and the environment.  With the two-tier system, I could buy 1/4 gallon outside my neighborhood, pay the distance penalty cost, yet know that I have adequate fuel so that when I get back to my neighborhood, that I can refill near my house at the going market rate.

Rationing by price as a function of your distance from home is how nature imposes it controls--I am merely proposing the same for us humans.  A predator cannot seek prey further than it's abilities to bring the bacon home to feed Momma and the kids; it's energy level constrains it to patrolling a discrete territory-- as detritus energy becomes limited, I suggest we must all learn to travel in increasingly smaller circles.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

I would recommend just getting an electric scooter and some form of self power generation.  Then you won't have to worry about this problem if it comes to pass.  
Hello Rlaws,

My speculative proposals allow the gas station owners to set the market price; to respond to supply & demand, but it will be a two-tiered 'roaming' system to help promote Westexas's HELP idea of conservation and relocalization, and reduce the postPeak tendency of detritovores driving all over the place seeking fuel when spot shortages become commonplace.  Otherwise, unless you and me have access to  the local inside info, we can always expect to be forced to the end of the line, no matter how much we are willing to pay per gallon.  In short, a black market in fuel info is more valuable than a black market in fuel supply.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

My speculative proposals allow the gas station owners to set the market price; to respond to supply & demand,...

Bob, gas station owners make about five cents per gallon, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. They are at the mercy of their suppliers as far as the price is concerned.

After Katrina and Rita last year, the wholesale price in many of places jumped far more, per gallon, than their profit margins. As a result many station owners did not have enough money to buy a new load. Many had to bag off their pumps until they could raise enough money for a load or else wait for the wholesale price to drop.

My point is, with such tiny profit margins, how on earth can service station owners "set the market price"? They get whipsawed by the market price just as much as we consumers do. They have no control over the market price.

What am I missing Bob? Is there something in your proposals that give them more control?

Ron Patterson

In Mississippi I believe it is impossible to raise prices on the same load of fuel, or at least it was in the state of emergency after Katrina. However, in Florida it is not and I saw a nearby gas station raise their prices 3 times in one day, a total of 19 +/- cents (without any deliveries). So they are making more money off the same load of fuel. Seems like they are making more money than normal, not less.
Hello Darwinian,

Thxs for responding.  I don't claim to be an expert on gas station operation: I did not know that operators can be so severely whipsawed by their suppliers. I thought that they had much greater control over pricing decisions [within legal bounds], potential profit margins, etc to manage their considerable investment in a gas station.  Sounds like a lousy business to own, even more so postPeak, unless they can be legislated more business freedom from their suppliers.  For the same type of gasoline, and all from the same pipeline, gasoline in my neighborhood can vary by seven cents or more per gallon-- so there must be some local pricing power at work.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

Bob,

I am not sure it cost that much to get in the Gas station business. In most cases around here (NJ)the stations are owned by the companies and are just leased by the people that run the operation.They are pretty much under the thumb of the companies.

Yes, they vary by as much as seven cents here too Bob, but that is between different brands. Exxon or Shell is much higher than Murphy Oil, (Wal-Mart), and so on. Locally owned stores are usually buy into a franchise for their gasoline. These are usually the cheapest brands on the market. They price as low as they can and still get business. Of course thay can raise prices as much as they like, but then they drive away their business, gasoline business as well as the rest of their stuff.
I think the difference between high rent and low rent districts is often ... no surprise ... rent, land costs.
thats why they are your one stop shop for just about any junk food you can imagine. because they earn so little on gas, they use it as a means to get you in the door so you can buy higher profit margin items.
One huge problem with your scheme is that it would allow the suppliers or government to punish individual areas (like voting districts) by cutting off fuel to them and forcing their residents to both travel farther AND pay a surcharge.
Bob.

I know a gas station owner who has had to constantly borrow more and more money to pay for the gas when it arrives. The oil companies pretty much want COD. Since he has more money borrowed and rates are up his interest cost are up. To make it worse more and more people are using credit cards to pay for the gas. The credit card company's charges are on the gross amount of the sale, which is higher cutting into the profit. I have read where some gas stations are spending $1000.00 a week and more in credit charge charges.

I was in various small business for 40 years. Many weeks I paid my employees on Friday and hoped I would do enough business over the weekend to cover the payroll. If there was a snowstorm I was in trouble. This is called (playing the float). It is even harder to do now that checks clear faster. When you are in this kind of situation, and many gas stations are, it is very hard to raise prices higher then the competition when you need the cash to pay the expenses.

Many things seem easy in theory but putting into practice is much different.

Depends on the state... it might be considered "gouging" the consumer