Kunstler's weekly rant has, buried in the now usual Lebanon screed, a sentence on the export oil problem--guess he's been reading Westexas' arguments.
Seadragon -

Well, I guess Kunstler has to include at least one sentence in there related to oil, so he can pretend his columns since the start of this Israeli/Hezbollah 'unpleasantness' are more than just pro-Israeli editorials.  

I do wish he'd zip it and get back to what he's really good at.  If I want to read pro-Israeli editorials, I don't have to read Kunstler's column: I can just open the editorial page of any major American newspaper any day of the week.

I concur with you.

It was James Kunstler who inspired me and led me to the subject of peak oil via his home page.  His book, "The Geography of Nowhere" is, in my opinion, among the finest works of our time and literally changed my life.  I often refer to it when promoting the concept of New Urbanism.  He is an immensely talented writer whose polemics on our energy conundrum and the failures of suburbia provide a necessary voice on these paramount issues.  His writings are something I always look forward to.

Having said this, I do wish he would step back from his diatribes on Middle East issues and stick to what he is best known for.

Re: joule and Erwin on Kunstler.  I would challenge you to look deeper at what Kunstler has been writing of late.  IMO, it is as coherent and on target as his writings on suburbia and peak oil.  I read widely from Left, Right, and more radical news sources.  Backing up and trying to come at this with a Zen beginner's mind, I believe he is accurately putting Israel's battles with Jihadi's in the right context of PO and radical Islam insanity. To regurgitate current politically correct Left position that anything construed as pro-Israel is part of the Bush-Cheney agenda is to blind yourself to how deep the Middle East peak oil rabbit-hole really is.  A lot of the backlash against Kunstler's writings of late seems to say more about a subset of Left group-think than about the content of what he is writing.
"A lot of the backlash against Kunstler's writings of late seems to say more about a subset of Left group-think than about the content of what he is writing."

I think that the Left's (justified, in my opinion) hatred of Bush has literally driven a lot of them crazy.

I don't even think the situation fits into the right-left political spectrum.

I see it simply as Olmert didn't acheive his military objective (secure a strip of land into Lebanese terrority to prevent their missles from striking Israel) and Hezbollah did (prevent Israel from occupying their land).

Also, there are people on both the left and the right who object to America sticking their nose into other country's business, giving free money and military equipment to other countries, intervention on the internal affairs of far away nations, etc.

Agreed.  This is not a left-right issue.  Many conservatives (Pat Buchanan, for example) also think the U.S. should distance itself from Israel.  Because they believe we no longer have interests in common, basically.
Double agree. This is an example where there is no representation in the media or congress of a substantial grassroots isolationist yearning.  If you don't like Israeli policy you are a left wing nut or right wing nut.  Israel is the only nation one is not allowed to criticize in public.

Another example would be the sly bipartisan support for decades of illegal immigration, an elite backed policy that is not even supported by legal immigrants, much less native born US people.

Allah Akbar.

Every nation is entitled to self determination and the repulsion of invaders.

Long live Hezballah.

That's funny, Hezbollah just embarked on an adventure to draw invaders into their country, without the country's permission. But if you want to say "long live" about a group whose television network produced a month long miniseries devoted to  telling the world that Jews use children's blood for passover bread, and whose hero (who they went to war to try to liberate) is a man whose claim to fame is that he crushed a 4 year old girl's skull with the butt of his rifle, well, Indymedia is thataway.
Sallam alaychem brother.

Death to all infidel "occupiers" of this Planet.

Long live Ebollah.
Long live the reign of our dark master.

You're killing me. All I can think of now is Sean Connery in 'Zardoz.' Ever seen that?
Zardoz? Actually yes. But with PO & GW decending upon us, I doubt that "living forever" is going to be one of our futuristic problems. What does Zardoz have to do with Hell's Ebollah plague?
I thought the super-bad special effects were similar. But I'm glad you are here. Can you remind us who is responsible for Hell's Ebola Plague? Some say the Saudis - some say Matt Savinar. Obviously you are setting me up. Few have seen the movie to start with.

It has everything to do with it.

The horses on the beach. I forget the terms. But basically, Connery was part of the fascist, Nazi SS, futuristic IslamoFascistJihadiDeathCult-types ...until he was set free by smokin-hot early 70's chickie-bunnies. And the flying head.

'Omega Man' is the next film you need to review. Heston in the Matheson Zombie classic.

Hell's Ebola Plague. C'mon, my man, we have screenplays to write.

The Zardoz community was largely about technology as you recall. They got past physical stuff and were into the whole mind thing. Oil would mean nothing if we could just get it out of our heads. No?

I have seen Zardoz but can hardly find anything related to Israeli/Lenabon or Peak Oil in it.
Closer to the Singularity, however.
I guess you have to be quite a bit loaded with your "good stuff" to see the analogies you are reporting.

However, in "Omega Man," that part where Brother Mathius wants everyone to either convert into being an Islamo-zombie or to die, well that could have a connection. Charlton Heston does the arms-outstretched sacrifice into the bloody pool at the end. Does his self-sacrifice for humanity ring a bell? Hmmm.
"I think that the Left's hatred of Bush has literally driven a lot of them crazy"

Doesn't Kunstler say that Tex?  LMAO and agree.

People here seem extremely naive to me.  And maybe a little too smug and superior acting.

It sounds like most people here grossly underestimate radical islam in so many ways it's sad and not laughable at all.  It's as if everyone here thinks the world consists of one homogenous culture and the idea of Religious LUNATICS is limited to Jerry Falwell et. al.

And of course I doubt very, very much anyone HERE has Yet had to face being blown up by a pretty, young women suicide bomber, or random missile, etc, etc so it is easy to sit and pretend to be Morally Superior and Judge From Afar.

Iran and Radical Islam are very serious when they preach and teach their ignorant and mostly poor and desperate Masses to Hate the Great Satan... but they truly mean The West in general.  After that they kill eachother off to see who Allah liked the Bestest Afterall.  Sorta like a Jerry Falwell on Steroids and Adrenaline running the USA (and no, Bush is a christian loony but not psychotic like the mullahz).

I agree with Adysseuse - I think Kunstler sees the real threat and it is most certainly a Symptom of the energy crisis.  Israel is the only thing close to a real democracy in the Middle East and the most stable country there by far, so it makes sense that we do not abandon them.  Would you rather count on the current batch of Arab governments as allies in such an Oil-Rich region?  With the growing poliTICal power of Iran and Radical Islam?  

I think Kunstler is looking at this from a very practical standpoint and the sad but true FACT is that Iran (nuclear or not) and Radical Islam is a Clear and Present Danger to most of humanity.  With Peak Oil they know TimezUp - their own oil reserves are declining and they literally cannot afford to wait forever for their little Armegeddon.

Nice condensation of every point that seventeen different people have each already made 16 times in the last month into a few cute sentences. Talent...Oily. You have a future here. I think there is an Alpha Male looking for a Biatch. Not sure how well he pays. But who cares. You obviously like to serve.

The "z" thing doesn't really work. Nor the CAPS. Shakespeare already tried it. He said,"scratch that." But go ahead. Try it one more friggin' time. Maybe you know better.

Well Oily, you turned off the CNN long enough to respond - good for you!  

But of course, your response doesn't address a single point in my post or the thread.  Nope, you just post an angry critique while Posing as a wanna-be editor for "Entertainment Tonight"... (hmmm, now why doens't that surprise me).      

Wait, I was supposed to address points you made? Sorry. I thought we didn't do that anymore here. I'll have to get back to you.
I'll have to get back to you.

Need a "reload"?
Nevertheless quite good stuff you have, been running for more than 8h30mn since this morning CET.
But it is dangerous for your health.

I think a lot of Americans exhibit a manichean mindset WRT the middle east, which is profoundly unhelpful, to put it mildly.

This little Lebanon war boiled up because

  1. an adventurist US administration, which has already done major damage to the region through its comic-book geopolitical analysis and systematically wrong-headed interventions, wanted to use Israel as a proxy to provoke Syria and Iran; and
  2. a new, inexperienced Israeli leadership (which, a rare occurrence, included no experienced military men), feeling validated by US backing, pursued its own (legitimate defensive) goals through an immoral and ill-advised adventure.

It just so happens that these foolhardy actors played into the hands of the Hezbollah, and that the Lebanese nation (which has few opportunities to exist, and has no vocation to hate Israel as such) united behind its "defensors", the Hezb, who are in reality its worst enemy.

So, in this precise instance, wailing about how all the Arabs hate Israel / hate the US / hate "our values" is wildly inappropriate. Lebanon is a place where fashionably-dressed young women can drink alcohol in public during Ramadan, where you can see the Vagina Monologues performed in Arabic, Beirut is the cultural and intellectual centre of the Arab world in the way Baghdad used to be decades ago. Lebanon, of all places, is not your monolithic bloc of seething hatred.

Or it wasn't. The Hezbollah, darlings of the Muslim world after their "heroic" resistance against the IDF, would like it to be. And they have received a powerful boost from their objective allies, Bush and Olmert.

Don't you think you're kind of playing it both ways here? I mean, I hear you, but I really can't respond.Unless I want to destroy you. Which I don't. But I think you may be dodging several questions. You already lost the casualty thing. Israel vs Lebanon was like 20 or 30 to 1. And it clearly changed constantly. You always claimed 10-to-1.  Sorry.
You mean you could tell me, but you'd havta kill me afterward?

OK, go ahead kill me.

You never got back to me with your casualty spreadsheet.
But obviously, the Lebanese casualties blew out when they could actually dig through the ruins without getting strafed etc... I was talking about the numbers announced officially during the conflict.

With respect to ratios, maybe you're right and the Israelis aren't satisfied with 10 to 1. For example, they are now holding 25 members of the Palestinian parliament hostage, for the release of one IDF soldier.

As a special bonus, here's the best succinct military analysis of the conflict I've seen. It's from a friend who spent some time in Lebanon in a UN contingent in the 80s.

I think anyone who looked at the last 20 odd years of the Leb's history could have seen that the IDF were doing a helluvajob fooling themselves that they could crush the Hezbollah with a few weeks of all-out war.

There are really only 2 good roads in the whole of Southern Lebanon, one goes kind of through the middle and the other goes along the coast. You can't get a lot of armour into S.Leb if you don't have control of those roads and the hills that overlook them. And even if you do control them, getting enough people and materials into the area in-between is very difficult.

The Hezbollah were already there, they had occupied the old UN positions and camps, and the old Israeli sponsored SLA/defacto forces positions. All these positions are key, as they command the high ground between the many valleys/wadis and overlook the roads and tracks through the area. But, more than that, they had fortified the towns wherever they could.

The old positions are all easily identified and are already on a hundred maps complete with exact co-ordinates enabling the IDF to shell and bomb the shit out of them with precision. It was in the towns, where some people stayed (and fought, apparently) and where the Hezbollah took up positions with very good anti-tank weapons (Syrian supplied) that the IDF armoured thrusts were blunted.

And now, even if the peace holds (it seems the IDF is pissing on it already) it's still going to be the Hezbollah who own the area, now even more so. They have a huge support organisation that's going to be rebuilding towns, houses, schools, medical centres and roads right now as we discuss this.

The IDF can't control the Syrian border, and can't stop munitions coming into Leb. They can't dissuade hundreds of young people from joining the Hezbollah either, especially as it was so heavy handed and killed so many of their friends and family. So essentially, all that was achieved was the destruction of some rocket launchers, which are so easily replaced they don't even have to come from Syria, and the revitalisation (as if they needed it) of the Hezbollah in South Leb.

I'll state it again, I think Israel is a legitimate nation that has every right to defend itself. But I also think they took advantage of the hostage taking situation (remember that?) to create a war scenario where they could have a free hand in S.Leb against the Hezbollah, and they made a proper hames of it.

Yeah, I wuz hoping I could bamboozle you with this approach. Obviously, your counterattack has succeeded. You called my bluff. Cheers.

Seriously, though. I thought I had won. Of course we will discuss this more. Shame on you MUDLOGGER(and others).

That's about what happened, not the article. I'll go read that now.

Yes, you are the toughest opposition I've ever faced. And I've lost before.
But what are we actually opposed about? You say

Don't you think you're kind of playing it both ways here?

but I'm not actually advancing any particular thesis, just trying to analyse events in a fair and balanced<sup>TM</sup> manner. I am not any kind of extremist, I'm well-integrated socially and politically. I engaged you, in particular because I think you are a level-headed guy in general, but appear to exhibit a not-uncommon lack of lucidity WRT the middle east.

AlistairC: How dare you inject reality into this debate. You are supposed to use broad sweeping statements and slogans whenever this all-important subject comes up on TOD. The future of the universe is at stake (just ask the Chinese).
Context is colorful

Culturally Americans have very little context to distinguish social, cultural and religious differences from our economic and political interests.

The 9/11 Commission Report, carefully drafted with US and foreign interests in mind, identfiied Saudi Arabia as the primary source of funding for Al Queda before and for up to 2 years after the 9/11 attacks.

We are not well-served by assuming that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Queda are part of a monolithic movement. But they are different than the PLO, the Baathists and the earlier Pan-Arab movement in that the latter are secular.

If almost 70% of the reserves of oil were not in a tight little triangle in the Middle East we would not have deep concerns about Islam, or its radical and discontented expressions.

But imagine if we did want to comprehend both the challenge and opportunity presented by the Islam and the diversity of its expressions - both healthy and unhealthy. Our starting place necssarily would be on trying to understand an alternative view - of history, religion, culture and society. And just like there is not a single history of Christianity, modernity, Western culture - there is not a single history of Islam, Arab and non-Arab cultures and societies, and traditional, fundamentalist and modern perspectives within various non-Western cultures and societies.

There is a bias to want to see things in "black and white" but the world is colorful, alive and inherently dynamic. How we perceive one another across differences and distinctions within and across societies shapes the world in very real ways.

 

"IMO, it is as coherent and on target as his writings on suburbia and peak oil."

That is because you and he lack a comprehensive understanding of the fundamentals of Islamic terrorism.
Regarding Kunstler's recent pro-Israel commentaries, it is worth keeping in mind that he has always been open in stating:

a) That America's Iraq adventure was about oil; and
b) That he didn't in principle have any objections to a).

While I vehemently disagree with b) on obvious moral grounds, I have always grudgingly respected Kunstler's forthrightness on a) - though this does not absolve him of what is profoundly wrong with b).

These factors, combined with his ethnic background, perhaps make his recent pro-Israel commentaries less surprising than they might otherwise be.

Good insight. What I also find interesting is that a post by someone yesterday, I believe, originally calling for the removal of his link on the blogroll led to some of the best discussion of this man's recent work as has ever occurred here. Holy free publicity, Batman. Like I always say, any news is good news.

To whoever originally requested that...be careful what you wish for, you might not get it.

The best thing about this site is the high-level dialogue concerning oil. The second best thing is that when people cease to talk about oil, they can talk about whatever they want. Or link to whatever they want. Freedom of speech. This community is self-policed - or not at all. Live Free or Die.

(OK, you should probably end this one here, cut out those last three paragraphs...Yeah, that's a good idea...thanks)