I see the arguments for and against as being equally confusing.

YOUR problem!!!

Why is it that we have to rehash these arguments again and again among TOD posters?
You should have made up your mind one way or another and be able to support your position by at least PLAUSIBLE arguments even if challengeable and challenged.

If you don't know what you are talking about keep reading and STFU instead of spreading your confusion.

When you have a good point to make, I wish you would refrain from weakening it with petulant Acronyms. ('STFU')  If it was only your own reputation that was affected, maybe I'd leave it alone, but it really undermines making and keeping a productive discussion going here.

Even without the 'TF' in the middle of it, 'Shut Up' is beneath you or any of us.

Bob Fiske