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davidsmi on August 31, 2006 - 2:43pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What makes you think that TPTB are those that are elected to the government?
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LevinK on August 31, 2006 - 2:49pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Precisely. I am always amazed when people honestly believe that those clowns we see on TV are the same that are calling the shots.
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Darwinian on August 31, 2006 - 9:20pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What amazes me is all that stupid crap the conspiracy theory nitwits actually believe.
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earldaily on September 1, 2006 - 12:52am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
what?
like peak oil?
conspiracy theory nitwits? are my wits nits? or is your brain on the shits?
I enjoy your posts on oil, I don't enjoy anyones post on conspiracy theories here on tod. It's not the right place. Just keep in mind you post ( a lot) on a site that's considered by most to be on the fringe. in the eyes of most you are a conspiracy theory nitwit. I don't think you are but I do think you should pull back and try for some new perspective.
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Jack on September 1, 2006 - 1:41am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I'm with Darwinian. The recent Bloomberg article and other mainstream press coverage is more proof that peak oil is not a conspiracy theory.

The fact that posters do think it is appropriate to toss any wild paranoid plot into any thread sure does make it look like one though.

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Oil CEO on September 1, 2006 - 2:11am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Peak oil is still extremely sketchy. Obviously I am one of the real ____ of the this "movement." I'd be the first to tell you that it hardly exists.

It is so small it doesn't exist. (yes, we have ours sects)

Through August 2006 - What Are Our Accomplishments!?

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Jack on September 1, 2006 - 4:25am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
It's less sketchy than "Bush blew up the World Trade Center" or "The Council on Foriegn Relations is putting flouride in your water" (Sorry AC, I'm not sure if I got that one right).
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Oil CEO on September 1, 2006 - 5:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
The point is - We are extremely not sketchy. No, my friend?

I think Jack and myself have settled ourselves on being extremely settled.

We duggs ourselves a pitt and we're gonna defend it. I got the  big money on that. what's the big money on that? We ain't stupid. You can fly, butcha can't eat it!

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AngryChimp on September 1, 2006 - 6:21am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"Sorry AC, I'm not sure if I got that one right"

You didn't on both accounts but that just highlights your ignorance on the subject.  Bush couldn't blow up anything.  His job is to cover-up who actually did it...

==AC

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Oil CEO on September 1, 2006 - 7:00am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Dude.I justed jumped over the fence. My only friend is in ...If it was Spec OPs... We had our nation's calling-we did not fail them -  or my boy Jack. Jack's the only one I ever stick around to see if he's still alive. Yeah, well shut the fuck up, obviously Jack win's on this. ObvioislybJack's the real fucking I don't know what you cal it. Jack's obvviously got connextions. He's the only one I care about. He's the only one that matters. Yeah well...I did that OK. Jamie's OK. Hehheh. Fuck this. I'm gonna connect with Jack.
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AngryChimp on September 1, 2006 - 7:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Unfortunately I can have this effect on people.  I apologize for CEO's licentious behavior...

==AC

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Jack on September 1, 2006 - 7:44am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"that just highlights your ignorance on the subject"

I know, I know. I lost my decoder ring a few months ago and I can't follow any of the good plots any more.

Please fill me in on the Council of Foriegn Relations one again. Just this once. My curiousity is killing me.

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AngryChimp on September 1, 2006 - 7:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"I know, I know. I lost my decoder ring a few months ago and I can't follow any of the good plots any more."

Buy a couple dozen boxes of Cracker Jacks and you'll find one inside.  I've got three of them now so I know at least three times more than you.

I'm not going to tell you about the CFR if you lost your "ring".  What's the point you couldn't decipher what I was saying anyway...

==AC

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Oil CEO on September 3, 2006 - 5:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I apologize for CEO's licentious behavior...

Whhat? Whaaaaa? Huh...Wha.Whaat? What are you fucking insane? Did I just hear that? Hello?

What else are you going to apologize for? Pol Pot? Boy George? You are a fucking nutcake. Don't ever try to apologize for my behavior again. I own my behavior. Not you. Control yourself.

Or as we say on TOD...Cheers.

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LevinK on September 1, 2006 - 9:44am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
You are ranting at the wrong person. I am not a consipracy theorist, I just think that these guys (be it neocons, dems, reps whatever) are following the agenda of the circles that put them in those places - in general these are de facto huge corporations, represented by their lobbying groups in the Congress etc. It is de facto an institutionalised corruption on a grand scale, and in this country it is even 99% legalised.

That's what I mean that "they are not calling the shots". Bush and co, are nothing but representatives of these groups. As such they act as errand boys, but mostly as PR. As such their ability to follow an agenda of their own is very limited. It is akin to telling your employer that from now on you will do whatever you want to, instead of whatever is wanted from you and still wait for your next paycheck...

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step back on September 1, 2006 - 10:57am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Let me suggest that there are a number of possible mechanisms by which the system that we see could come into being:
  1. Conspiracy in its most severe form (a Star Chamber),
  2. Conspiracy by covert understandings (wink of an eye and nod of the head, rather than a "plan" expressly made by the all powerful leaders of a Star Chamber Council),
  3. Random behavior (as in Fooled by the Randomness),
  4. Consequential outcomes of a Hierarchical "Education" System where "elites" are taught to think under one paradigm (the Harvard / Yale paradigm), where middle managers are "educated" into thinking under a second world view (the MIT / Cal Tech view of world systems) and where the "lower working class" is managed by being brain washed into seeing the world in yet a third way (the community college --be a dental technician, trust your superiors paradigm).

Obviously, I'm going to vote for number 4 because I put so much energy into wording it.

Is there not a possibility, --a 1% possibility?-- that GW Bush and Dick Cheney (and their neocon inner circle) actually are formulating US policy all by themselves because of the way they were "grewed up" by their parents? Is it not remotely possible that GW Bush truly beleives he is a superior being cause his "Daddy" taught him that special people don't go to Vietnam but instead "serve" by boozing it up in the National Guard? That the lesser persons are the ones that make "the ultimate sacrifice"? And if you were a young GW Bush, why would that world view not be an appealing one? Hell, it sure beats the alternatives.

Is it not remotely possible that the minions of the elite; your Yergins and your Cato Institute pundits for example, actually believe the nonsense they spout out because they were "educated" to think that way? They are not knowingly evil? They actually believe in that which they blather out?

Is not remotely possible that Peak Oil believers actually believe the nonsense they spout out because they were "educated" in physics, chemistry and scientific thought patterns? Or is it that Peak Oilers are part of a vast looney conspiracy?

Well how about it? Do you feel YOU are part of some vast conspiracy? Do you?

And if not, why should "they"?

Just think about it.
No need to rush to judgment.

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LevinK on September 1, 2006 - 12:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Well I don't think your argument contradicts mine, it just complements it. Bush, Cheney and their circles are not some random guys, hired to do the job - they were chosen because they come from the same ideological den as those that supported them. In this respect they are part of TPTB, what I am just arguing is that their real power is much less than what is percieved and for that matter what it should be. You know for example that the plans to invade Iraq are dating long before not only 9/11 but before GWB even came to power. How does this speak for our democracy?

Actually the propagated idea that those frontmen and women are the de facto the people in charge is a key part of the brainwashing machine and that's why I am resisting it so much. If things go really bad, Bush and his crew will be changed with some others, the public will finally get its scapegoat, while in the end nothing fundamentally will be changed.

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AngryChimp on September 1, 2006 - 6:17am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
LOL.  Ron is a true believer.  He actually believes we live in a "Democracy" and those empty suits on the tele screen have "power".  He is told old to change his mind.  His brain is now "hard wired" to be ignorant...

==AC

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