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Telumehtar on September 12, 2006 - 7:42pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I'll disagree with you on the use of force on Hiroshima and Dresden, but that is another ball game.

As for Abu Graib, the people who committed those acts are being punished.  The system works, and we kept ourselves accountable.  If they had been ignored, then I would say the US failed its obligations.

As for Guantanamo, that subject is being hashed out right now in the legislature and courts.  Again the system is in the process of working it out.  It may be slow, and it may be imperfect but at least we have processes and law that we at least try to follow.  I doubt the terrorists give a flying flip about law.

Cluster Bombs, I don't think are illegal.  They are disdained and there is now fresh criticism of their use because of the Isreali-Lebanon situation, but technically I don't think any laws broken.  If I'm wrong please feel free to point out the section in international law banning their use.  I'm always up for learning something new for the day.

Falujah?  Please elaborate what greivance you are trying to insinuate here.  Preferably back it up with a reference so I can read for myself and come to some conclusions.  Falujah is in the news a lot, so just stating the place doesn't specify an incident.

Anyhow I'm off to go chill out for the evening.  SQL and the poorly maintained database I was converting has fried me out.

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prole on September 12, 2006 - 10:12pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"As for Abu Graib, the people who committed those acts are being punished.  The system works, and we kept ourselves accountable.  If they had been ignored, then I would say the US failed its obligations."

Oh Really?  Care to prove that point.

Other than some low level scapegoats, show us one senior ranking civilian that has been tried and convicted for war crimes relating to AG.

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Oil CEO on September 13, 2006 - 6:08am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I'm sorry, Prole. The only thing this proves is either your ignorance about Abu Ghraib or overwhelming partisanship. At least that's what I think. If you want to have a start-from-scratch, real debate/conversation about this issue - then please - start right here.

I'll keep it exclusive. Just me and you. If you need some help, I'll let you have Angry Chimp and AlistairC. Trust me, you will need them, they are good. I'll take Jack Greene to fact-check me. Other than that, I think I can prove myself.

Here. Read Bing West's article in latest Altantic Monthly. (C'mon fishies, fall for the bait, fall for the bait).

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Telumehtar on September 13, 2006 - 10:48am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
So damned if we do, and damned if we don't?

Fail to prosecute those who made the infractions and we are the worst human rights violators in the world!

Prosecute them, and it turns out that they are just scapegoats for the super secret shadow government!

It would be inconceivable to think that maybe, just maybe, we happened to have a collection of psychotic bored off their ass nitwit MPs who thought it might be fun to put these prisoners through some good old fashion college hazing, and have a real life edition of Jackass using Iraqi prisoners.  And by the way before it gets misconstrued, thats not an excuse for their behavior, its an indictment of it, and of the idiocy the American Public has for watching sadistic morons on TV and thinking its "cool".

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AlphaMaleProphetOfDoom on September 12, 2006 - 11:06pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"The system works, and we kept ourselves accountable."

Good Lord man, put down the Kool Aid!  

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Oil CEO on September 13, 2006 - 6:32am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Do a google search for "Jamestown Kool-Aid Massacre"

See anything familiar? C'mon let's start being friends again. It's so much easier that way. Otherwise, I'll just keep on pretending. I'm serious. Maybe we need Hezbollah to broker the cease fire.

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davidsmi on September 13, 2006 - 9:01am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
wouldn't that be "Jonestown"?
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Oil CEO on September 13, 2006 - 10:03am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Yes it would be. Forgive me. I can never get the two straight. Surprisingly one get's similar results in Google.
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Kevembuangga on September 13, 2006 - 1:56am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
As for Abu Graib, the people who committed those acts are being punished. The system works, and we kept ourselves accountable.

It does not matter what YOU think (we kept ourselves accountable), what matters is what THEY think.
No "mind control" available to you in muslim countries, ol'Rupert doesn't own the MSM over there.

Don't forget to apply for the Nobel Prize!

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