Okay folks, but we have got to get some ground rules here for this Community Solutions thing, and I say this having huge HUGE respect for the group and it's history:

1.  Can we PLEASE remove the banner headline at http://www.communitysolutions.org that says, "What Are We Going To Do As The Oil Rins Out?"  ANSWER:  We are going to use it and burn it!  That's why it has been so called "running out" since we used the first gallon!  Since the FIRST DAY!  Can we get an agreement that "peak oil" is not about running out?  We will not have "run out" even when your kids are in the old folks home!  It makes this group, as bright and serious as they are, sound silly, hysterical and paranoid.
Community Solutions and Megan Quinn are better than that, much better.

2.  No more about Cuba.  If Cuba is a success story, i will take my chances with peak oil.
I will never forget what Dan Rather said about Cuba when he viisited the Island in that period to interview Castro.  Someone asked, given the censorship and the controlled show tours, what Rather could see that they wouldn't want seen.  Dan Rather said, "Well, it's the only place I have ever been where even the pigs were skinny and hungry!  Everywhere, pigs can find something, and fill out.  But in Cuba, even the pigs are hungry!"
Cuba a success?  I will say no more.

3. We have got to get everyone to stop fawning over Megan Quinn!  O.k., she's bright, articulate, a great speaker, provocative yet charming, attractive, has that great mane of red hair, but we have got to get back to the subject, this fawning over Megan is distracting!

O.K., o.k., maybe I am being a bit tough, I'm sorry, everyone deserves some leeway.....fine, throw out rule three!  :-)

Roger Conner  known to you as ThatsItImout :-)

I too have great respect for Megan and Community Solutions.  This was only enhanced by here introspective piece circulated a few weeks ago.  However we must try and draw the relevant lessons from Cuba and not succumb to either a rosy, direct application of their actions to the USA and Canada nor the negative propaganda of the MSM.  I have seen the Power of community video many times, having presented it to groups of friends and family.  I do not see any skinny pigs, cows, horses or people in that video.  Nor did I see any in the two hour treatment done here in Canada by the CBC.  What  did see was a people struggling to cope with a difficult situation and solving many problems at a community level.  It is also obvious that they benefit from a central government that seems to care about the condition of the population as a whole.  Because of climate factors, many specific actions taken there will not be applicable in my country.  But whatever the technical solutions may be to a contracting economy the road to these solutions will likely be through community cooperative action in large and small groups.  Because of the different nature of our governments from Cuba, our "special period" will probably be a lot rougher with more conflict and extra, even constructed, problems to overcome.  At this point I don't think anyone can predict what will happen, when it will happen, nor what the initial period will look like.  However I do believe that strengthening community now in any form is the only way to prepare.  A spider web is resiliant because it is constructed of interconnecting strands that work together o resist unexpected stresses.  We need to build this structure in our community, not knowing how or when it will be tested.  Of course the wwWEB and TOD are already part of this structure.  And, by the way, the discussions and technical analysis here on TOD are similar to, and provide excellent support to the discussions in my living room after viewing The Power of Community".  Many thanks to all of you who provide so much insight, expertise and critical thinking on here.  Quoting you and using your analysis makes us regular folks sound smart.
I think we tend to see Cuba from the perspective of "Castro-ism". That is to say, we ascribe the state of social welfare to his dictatorship.

But... I think it is fair to ask: how would we in the U.S. have done with no oil for the last 30 years? Would we have fat pigs? An open society? Wall Street? Would we have the level of education and literacy they have maintained?

I am neither for, or against, Castro... but to call Cuba unsuccessful is to forget we've never played the no-oil game.
Let us name the American president with the skills to take us through that ugly nightmare.
 

Can we get an agreement that "peak oil" is not about running out?

Well you probably could have an agreement that peak oil is not about running out of oil but that's the way its being framed by the powers that be and until you can frame the peak oil message differently, its going to remain..

I prefer to say oil depletion.. Its get more peoples attention than peak oil.. People seem to understand oil depletion far better than peak oil..