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totoneila on October 5, 2006 - 9:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello Dave Cohen,

I agree, thus the sooner we abandon the '3 Days of the Condor' scenario, the better off we will be as a country.  IMO, the govt. should be rapidly moving ahead to shift most of the labor force to relocalized living and permaculture.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

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NC on October 5, 2006 - 11:07am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Dave and Toneila,

Agree and I am pushing for more manufacturing base in the midwest.  Historically manufacturing followed available energy.  New England water begot mills.  Pennsylvania coal begot foundries.  Texas oil begot refineries.  Each step led to manufacturing of goods based on what raw materials were produced.  Mills = food, cloth, lumber.  Foundries = metals, tools, building components.  Refineries = carbon compounds, plastics, portable energy.  All of these industries are now offshore with labor following them.

We need a new energy base of biofuels, wind and solar which will lead to ---- what?  Whatever it is will require labor and new plant construction.  The point is not to grow the economy so much, as to employ people to make things locally.  Lots of multiplication of the money when there is a good manufacturing base locally.  And I am convinced we need to be producing the energy locally to get that base back.

It doesn't matter if this isn't as much as currently provided by fossil fuels.  New England had a thriving economy based on water power 250 years ago using a fraction of the energy they use now.  It's the difference between making and buying that leads to a viable economy.  We only buy now and that has to change.

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Don in Colorado on October 5, 2006 - 12:57pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Relocalizing is great, but the people who have the guns (U.S., Britain, Israel) have already committed to the opposite view. There'll be a great war lasting for generations, and when it's over, they'll somehow end up on top.

I watch the western banking system (the real power), and so far they're staying with imperial plan. I suppose they realize if global capitalism dies, they die, too.

So the wealth needed to rebuild and relocalize our towns, cities and countryside is instead going into the vast military machine.

I feel like such a meaningless bystander in all this ...

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Oilrig medic on October 5, 2006 - 12:46pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Bob,

If you hit the eject button on your DVD player you can remove your 2 days of the Condor DVD and put in some other movie.  

Matt

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totoneila on October 6, 2006 - 5:41pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hello Oilrig Medic,

Thxs for responding.  I think that scenario best expresses worldwide detritovore desire, therefore I encourage all to post it as often as possible until we see a worldwide shift to a more appropriate direction.  I often wonder what degree of future horror will be ignored by the average American.  The population declines in Iraq, Darfur, and other places don't seem to concern most Americans now.  If 2/3 of Mexico dies due to energy shortages: will Americans be shocked, or just accept that as normal routine?  If 1/3 of Americans are in hard labor camps under a harsh Govt. boot: will the other 2/3 still applaud these actions as long as they have food and water?  I think they will.  Consider this link on Dieoff:

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

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Jack on October 7, 2006 - 7:37am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Eject the DVD !
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