Easy - they do have more oil to develop (in fact vast quantities) whether at peak or not. US peaked in 1971 but development of new fields not only continued but actually  increased after peak in order to reduce the decline as much as possible by developing increasing difficult, smaller, lower quality fields. This is just a fact observed historically. Do you know anything about this topic? This is simply Oil 1.

They are building refineries because the new oil is so poor in quality that most worldwide refineries can't process it. They don't want to produce oil they can't sell due to worldwide refinery limitations. As you know, we are not building new ones in the US, although they are certainly being modified & expanded. There are significant pollution problems with the sour, contaminated oil which would probably make licensing & environmental regs very hard to overcome here for example.

The back side of the decline is will especially good for oil producers as the reality sets in and prices sky rocket.  As soon as renewable start denting use of oil, then prices will gyrate for oil as it is substituted.
There are many unknowns here.  

Alternatives to oil have large R&D and manufacturing plant investment costs, and long lead times.  These barriers to entry have protected oil.  

Typically, they also have low operating costs. Once built, such plants will stay in operation even if oil returns to a low price.  We have seen this with CTL.

More importantly, there are large unknowns in R&D.  If a great deal of $ is invested in R&D, and effective & cheap alternatives are found and made to work (such as Eestor ultracapacitors), oil could be displaced surprisingly quickly.  Even if we only get the incremental progress that is pretty reliable, next-gen li-ion batteries will likely be competitive with oil in the next 5 years.  Once that tipping point is reached electric transportation might actually become better than oil in every way, and oil could be displaced relatively quickly.

We could have astronomical oil prices for 10-15 years, only to have them crash as the growth curve for alternatives catches up with demand and the remaining oil becomes largely obsolete for transportation.

I think the Saudi's know this (though much of OPEC does not), but know they have mostly lost the power to cap prices.  OTOH, they still have some power to choose how much prices drop from their recent peak, as supply has caught up with demand for the moment.  Even if depletion will kick in fairly soon and raise prices again, it would be in their best interest to let prices crash for a year or so (or as close to that as they can manage) before then to kill off alternatives for as long as possible.  I think they aren't doing so because they want to maximise revenue for the short-term, to make their citizens (and other OPEC members) happy.

Or maybe they're not that smart.  Yamani (SA's oil minister in the 80's) knew this stuff...

I think you are far too rosy about alternatives. For example, saying a battery is competitive with oil makes no sense. One supplies energy, another merely holds it in storage, and at a loss. The battery technology doesn't really matter much in this equation, as again they don't produce any energy anyway. Neither do ultracapacitors. I understand that there is some benefit to charging at off hours, but this has a limit in terms of electical demand and to think we can replace our transportation use of oil with electricity (except in mass transit forms) is a fantasy. As it is, you can review recent TOD topics on threats of upcoming electrical shortages and fear of blackout & brownouts even without using it for vehicles.
"saying a battery is competitive with oil makes no sense. One supplies energy, another merely holds it in storage...to think we can replace our transportation use of oil with electricity (except in mass transit forms) is a fantasy."

Not so.   Oil can be replaced relatively easily with electricity.

Let's review the background.  First, electric vehicles are about 8 times more efficient than your average gasoline vehicle (1,600 watt-hours/mile vs 200 whrs/mile).  Second, there is no real threat of electrical shortages: the articles you're thinking deal with peak supply/demand and lack of investment in infrastructure, rather than shortages of energy supplies.  There's plenty of excess capacity during off-peak times: the average utilization of the US grid is less than 50% (440GW average vs 905 peak capacity).  Oil & Gas supply only 21% of US electricity, and can be relatively easily replaced with wind (preferably) and coal.

The average demand in the US is about 440 gigawatts (GW), and to replace all 210M light vehicles (cars, SUV's, pickups, etc) with electric vehicles would require only about 57GW, or an increase of 13%, which could easily be done at night with excess capacity, and largely from wind power.

Electricity is the easy part, and is much cheaper than oil ($.02/mile, versus $.10 per mile for gasoline).  Replacing oil as a portable source of transportation energy is the hard part.

Nick I agree 100% with everything you typed. I'm glad SOMEONE is sane enough to realzie that the world isnt going to come crashing down due to declining oil production. Mark my words: the Tesla will begin a revolution that will change the way we look at transportation forever :)
Thanks.

I like the Tesla too.

I think of hybrids as the vanguard of the movement to electric vehicles.  The drivetrain of hybrids like the Prius or Escape are roughly 40% electric, despite the fact that the original source of their electricity is gasoline.  With 1.8% of the market, that means that the market is already about .7% electric.  

As hybrids grow, and plug-ins are introduced, the light-vehicle market will gradually transform, and as batteries improve the EV range can expand.

The nice thing about these hybrids is that in an emergency they could be upgraded to plugins quite easily, thus greatly reducing the 20 year adaptation window assumed by people like Hirsch.  I wish the US would break past it's current paralysis (in part due to the current Pres. administration) and greatly accelerate progress, but fortunately we are moving forward with some kind of noticeable speed.

I hope you are correct, I really do. I have PV panels already  and I personnally would like to triple them and run an EV with them. However, the spare capacity, as I understand it, includes hydro, natl gas and other generation that really can't sustain an all out 24/7 production. I am in California and I guarantee the reservoirs would run dry quickly. I question that there is enough natl gas to fuel those powerplants all out 24/7. I am all for wind, solar and other alternatives. I hope they can do as much as you say.
" have PV panels already  and I personnally would like to triple them and run an EV with them."

Are you in PG&E's service territory?  I understand they're installing time of day meters in the next year or so - are they going to do that for you?  I would think that would help with making PV pay, as you would be able to sell power to PG&E at a high rate during the day, and charge an EV at night at much lower rates.

"However, the spare capacity, as I understand it, includes hydro, natl gas and other generation that really can't sustain an all out 24/7 production."

As I noted previously, I don't believe there's a real danger of the lights going out Mad-Max-wise, as there's always coal (and nuclear in the longer-run) as a last resort.  California is an interesting case, as it has made a policy decision not to use coal, and therefore uses gas for about 50% of it's power generation.  It does have a little nuclear, which gets more important at night. In the following discussion we have to keep in mind that during all the acrobatics CA will go through to deal with electrical generation that coal will still be there as a last-resort - I don't think anyone can realistically believe that CA would not use coal & nuclear if they were the only choices to prevent serious, long-lasting blackouts.

As far as off-peak energy production goes, you're right, nat gas turbines aren't really meant for base-load production.  Wind is the clear answer.  Texas just passed CA for windmill installation, but I expect CA has a fair amount in the planning process, including a lot of replacements of older, small inefficient turbines.  Altamonte is an important site, which unfortunately has real bird problems (realistically the only site in the country to have such problems).  I suspect some wind power from mid-west states, and West Texas might go all the way to CA.

One possibility for CA are offshore floating windturbine structures , which are based on proven oilrig technology but still in development.  They'd reduce costs, raise reliability, take care of visibility problems, and I suspect could be sited to solve the heatwave peak output decline problem.  Another is kite-based windturbines, which I believe will be faster to install, can take advantage of stronger & more reliable high winds, and have reduced structural costs - they're still in R&D, though, and more speculative.

Peak power is a little more difficult.  On-shore wind in CA may only provide about 15% of it's normal output during serious heatwaves.  In the longrun solar is the obvious complement, as it's at it's best during such heatwaves.  I understand that CA is hoping to get about 5-6% of it's peak power from PV over the next 10 years (3GW vs 50GW peak capacity).  Here it's important to remember that PV prices are artificially high right now due to soaring demand and subsidy programs; that underlying PV costs are falling quickly; supply is ramping up; and building integrated PV will slash Balance of System costs, so eventually PV consumer pricing will fall sharply.  .  Also, there's pretty good indication that the A/C peak demand is pretty artificial, and could be seriously reduced by time-of-day metering and other demand management programs.  Electric vehicles will help a great deal here, with planned charging and even Vehicle-to-grid peak supply.

CA is likely to have some difficult times coping with nat gas depletion, especially without using coal. The energy is there, but they'll have to move fast to take advantage of it.  In the meantime I suspect electicity imports to CA, and rates, will go up.

Hi Nick,
        Thanks very much for your post. It's nice to see people actually think these issues through with real numbers.

I've come to the same conclusions based on these calculations. It's great to get these independent confirmations.

You're very welcome.  I'm reasonably confident that there's a fair number of people lurking, reading these posts and learning.  That's one reason I post, to reduce the level of fear, and allow people to make sensible life decisions (for instance, I think buying a Prius, and reducing debt are sensible, and moving to the country to do subsistence farming really, really isn't).

But it's very nice to hear that it makes a difference to people.