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PhilRelig on October 18, 2006 - 8:21am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
I have a few questions about liquid fuels; if anyone can answer them, I would be grateful:

  1. Does "total liquids" in the EIA and IEA estimates include buiofuels (such as Brazilian ethanol), or just fossil fuel derived liquids?

  2. Are natural gas liquids and condensate usefu0000000000000000l in the production of transportation fuels?
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PhilRelig on October 18, 2006 - 8:22am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
[oops - I meant "useful," obviously]
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Starship Trooper on October 18, 2006 - 9:35am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
In a word yes, NGLs are useful in the production of transportation fuels.  

There is some evidence that the EIA is including biofuels such as EtOH in their values.  

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Darwinian on October 18, 2006 - 10:25am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
The EIA has two catagories, All Liquids and Crude + Condensate.  The IEA only gives figures for All Liquids. The definition for All Liquids is: Crude oil plus condensate, natural gas plant liquids, and other liquids, and refinery process gain (loss).  The Other Liquids portion is defined as: Ethanol, liquids produced from coal and oil shale, non-oil inputs to methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE), Orimulsion, and other hydrocarbons.

So to answer your question, Yes, it includes Brazilian ethanol, all other ethanol, and just about any kind of liquid fuel you can dream up. It even includes a little water as Orimulsion is 30 percent water.

Ron Patterson

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