Autonomy is range, zero emmissions are possible when the car's fuel is derived from a zero emmissions source, such as methanol created from sustainable forestry or if it is a directly electric vehicle, electrictity generated by solar or wind power.

I am not a technician so I can't explain why more than 640 brake horse power is possible, if you want to know just call or send an email to PML Flightlink who states this on their website. I have been in contact with them, and see this information as reliable.

http://www.pmlflightlink.com/archive/news_mini.html

Rembrandt, if all their claims are true, then this little Mini is a truly amazing machine. Recently I've been thinking that PO is not going to have the drammatic effect on our lives that many who write here believe and incremental technology developements such as this reinforces those thoughts.

This vehicle more than doubles fuel performance, in want to buy packaging, if the claims made are true. The main obstacles seem to be Big Oil and Big Car manufacturers.

The other day, Chris was saying that the main focus should be on clean electricity generation and I'm beginning to lean in that direction - if we had loads of low C electricity - problem solved - for several decades at least.

So to my mind, two of the main issues are:

Safe nuclear and size of U reserves etc
Upgrading the quality of renewable electricty

Recently I've been thinking that PO is not going to have the drammatic effect on our lives that many who write here believe and incremental technology developements such as this reinforces those thoughts.

Euan, the main point that comes out of peak oil is that growth is unsustainable. If we can't transition to zero growth, we will get collapse. If we can transition to zero growth, we'll have a completely different society. If you want to believe in a magical world of continued growth, using alternative this, that and the other, that's fine but can you come up with a convincing argument for why that growth will not hit limits?

I don't want to dilute the EV discussion and maybe we can take this over to Drumbeat, but if growth is your worry, it is not well founded. By 2025 most g-20 nations will see flat GDP because of aging population. Working age segment of societies will be decreasing. This is not a japan problem. Europe is on the heels. By 2040, much of the world will have a reverse triangle demographic. Lotsa Old fogies at the top. Few kids at the bottom.

This includes China. Believe it or not their one kid program is twenty years old and there are huge ramifications. By 2035 china will have more over 65-yr olds as a % of society than the usa.

The middle east is one of the few areas of the globe that will maintain a conventional demographic mix after 2050.

Have a look at India

Freddy - if you like movies, I'd thoroughly recommend "Children of Men".

This isn't a drumbeat. Invoking a SciFi movie to make a point is very irresponsible.

Hothgor - if you are not being satirical then you need to get a life. Star Wars and Star Trek are science fiction. Children of Men, Brazil and Blade Runner are futuristic. Life of Brian is a historical documentary. And Freddy, stuck up there in the Yukon, needs advice from time to time.

Anyone who hasn't seen the excellent futuristic drama Children of Men should try to do so.

If it is just half as good as Blade Runner I'm sold, going to watch it.

I found the first half great, interesting story, imaginative glimpse of a dysfunctional near future. Set in the UK too which makes a nice change. I found the ending weak though and my female company wasn't so impressed, a bit too grim!

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Don't worry, the american are doing their best to reduce the demographic mix in the middle east.

Hmmm... but at the moment we waste vast amounts of energy. This technology appears to offer 100% energy savings in one of our most energy consumptive activities.

I used to agree with what you just said about economic growth - but I'm changing my mind.

The main problems with growth may be more realted to demographics (see Freddy), debt and climate change

Most of the long term Demand Outlooks are based on GDP growth, not projected Supply flows. Unfortunately, most of them end in 2030. While we assume that post 2030 "apparent" Demand will continue to grow, my initial sentiment of global demographics tells me that we may reaching a Peak of working age (20-65) persons at around 2025.

Thus while we have fears at the moment that the post peak decline may be detrimental, the severence of that may be overstated when one considers that there will be several g-20 nations with negative GDP and absolute relevant populations will be coming down. There is no doubt in my mind that we will see global pop'n Peak around 2045. The scary part is that some countries will see their demographic mix move from 4 workers supporing one elder to one or two workers supporting one elder. Real financial burdens ahead.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will see global pop'n Peak around 2045.

No doubt? I've been keeping an eye on the CIA World Fact Book estimate of world population growth. That, combined with a 2000 estimate by the UN, it looks as though growth has remained fairly stable at 1.14%. So it hasn't come down for about 6 years, at least. What makes you think it will come down to zero(other than through collapse)?

On the question of economic growth. Whatever stops economic growth, whether it is peak oil or some other factors, it will have a profound effect on many. If that decline continues (and without increasing energy, how can it?) the effects will be multiplied.

And the growth in India and China will keep the demand curve going up for quite some time yet.

If you want to believe in a magical world of continued growth, using alternative this, that and the other, that's fine but can you come up with a convincing argument for why that growth will not hit limits?

Of course it will hit limits, any extrapolation of an exponential can show you that. The question is how and when.

Its far more plausible to me that we will expand into much of the solar system before we really start to feel limits.

Its far more plausible to me that we will expand into much of the solar system before we really start to feel limits.

What? Do you not feel that we are quite close to limits now? Even if those limits don't start to be felt for a few decades, do you really expect us to have started serious expansion into the solar system before then? What have we done in the last 37 years, since first stepping on the Moon?

It's certainly not far more plausible (unless you can offer some well argued reasons), but we are all entitled to our opinions.

Forgive the ramble and not always quite relavent response, I have been researching renewables/sustainability over the last few weeks and as near as I can judge the only bar to mass take up of renewables for distributed generation is economics, and this holds for mobile equipment as well. I am principally interested in power generation, and in the UK, at least, it is impossible to make an economic case for domestic installations whether they are PV, Ground Source Heat Pump, Fuel Cell, CHP etc. There is just about a business case for some commercial Fuel Cell installations but there is a lot of legislation in the way of some allied technology.
As for cars there appears to be no technology bar to the production of fuel cell based systems in the now (non hydrogen but still much more efficient than ICE), the barriers are again purely economic. (This is regardless of the chosen final drive system) This is where the lobby groups come in. Do you remember the introduction of catalytic converters?. These were introduced in the US because the car giants would not invest, had not invested, in modern (clean) engine technology and catalysts were a far cheaper option. That they result in higher fuel consumption and therefore higher CO2 emissions has never been raised as an issue. All this of course stemmed from the need to reduce atmospheric pollution. In Europe and Japan, there were some excellent developments in clean and lean engine technologies that got brushed under the carpet when Europe decided to follow the US. What they should have done was set emission limits and made how you achieved them optional. The same lobby will likely prevail when it comes to commercialisation of fuel cell vehicles.(we do not have to start with renewables, better use of what we have got would be a good beginning) Look under almost any US car and you will find, steel chassis, leaf springs and live rear axles, big heavy and cheap. Moving the US automotive industry into the 20th century let alone the 21st is a major hurdle and unfortunately this will probably determine the rate of change as this is one powerful world wide political lobby.

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