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I'm not sure I understand what issues you are talking about here. Are you saying the EU is unable to enforce regulations within member states? Could you give some examples where that is the case?
Complete lack of power? It's certainly true that the EU nations lack the ability to project military power around the globe US style, but then again, Europe pretty much gave up on the whole empire idea in the second half of the last century, so there is really no need for that kind of military power. You also seem to overlook the small issue of economic power. Or are you saying that the EU has no economic power?
For a scam currency it seems to be surprisingly popular in the world, even or especially outside the US, following your logic I suppose those countries must have their share of unpatriotic suckers who buy it just to spite their respective governments.
Whoa, now the EU doesn't even exist? Care to elaborate what these fact on the ground are?
I removed this comment as being not relevant.
Francois
The facts on the ground are that the biggest members of the European Union ignore the provisions of the core documents of the European Union, these being the Maastricht Treaty, the Growth and Stability Pact, and of course, do not now care about the Constitutional issue, since they abandoned it with the complete collapse that was the "non" votes of a couple of years ago. (Has anybody noticed how the Constitutional Referendum, which were "critical" to the future of Europe back then, well, really don't matter too much now?) This begs a question: Upon what legal standing does the European Union now exist?
The Growth and Stability Pact, dead?
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/westerneurope/eu050...
"The Growth and Stability Pact was designed to guarantee that the euro would become and remain a strong and reliable currency. Accordingly, the 12 countries of the 'eurozone' were required to aim for balanced domestic budgets and, in any event, not to allow their national deficits to exceed an upper-limit of three percent of Gross Domestic Product.
Breaking the rules
As it turned out, that proved to be a pipe dream. When both France and Germany strayed beyond the three-percent norm a few years ago, they managed - as the eurozone's two most powerful nations - to exert enough political pressure to cause most of the other countries to grudgingly accept the situation. Contrary to what the rules prescribe, they were not penalised for their transgressions, and the European Commission (EC) - charged with monitoring compliance with those rules - appeared powerless to change the situation. It was at this point, in fact, that the pact was dealt the deathblow."
"Nevertheless, the finance ministers resolved that the pact needed to be relaxed and modified, if only to maintain the impression that some rules still apply to safeguard the stability of the euro. And that is precisely what has just happened."
http://www.ceps.be/Article.php?article_id=135
I will venture to say that not 1 in 10 Americans (or other non-Europeans for that matter) are aware of this, or are aware that the currency they are investing in is in this condition. I often hear Americans say that all European nations MUST HAVE a balanced budget, and when they give the debt numbers for Euro nations, they accept the 3% number as ACTUALLY ENFORCED, which of course Europeans know it is not (by the way, Russians being closer to the scene know that it is not). This is the "greater fool" theory....If I can get in early, and sucker my clients to come in behind me, then I make a killing, no matter how idiotic the currency being invested in actually is.
From the Economist:
European government finances
Sep 2nd 2003
From Economist.com
GERMANY and France, so long the European Union’s head partnership, have become partners in crime. Last Friday, Germany confessed to the European Commission that its budget deficit for 2003 would breach the stability and growth pact for the second year running. The pact, a largely German creation, is meant to stop members of the euro area undermining the single currency through fiscal irresponsibility: countries are permitted to run deficits of no more than 3% of GDP.…
Somebody check for me please...has Germany or France ever bothered to return to compliance? Or after the "non" votes on the Constitutional charters across the EU, have they, like everyone else, pretty much decided to go their own way while talking EU support. The Russians are being asked to give up big volumes of EXTREMELY valuable natural gas in exchange for handfuls of paper backed by this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EU_Constitution_Ratification_Map.png
There are also the social justice issues. The EU is by it's nature a VERY secular organization. But there is a growing non secular population in Europe, in the Islamic minority who have NO history of or experience with secular government. And even the Christians of Europe see conflicts: The EU Charter and Maastricht Treaty have provisions getting into the heart of the social justice issue. For example, if we accept the idea of absolute equality of gender, is it still legal to have a church with a male priesthood? We won't even go into how dangerous this all becomes in relation to the Muslim population. (France has seen an inkling though, and the EU of course could do nothing but sit to the sideline and watch the riots like everyone else)
EU workers abroad, do they go by the rules of the EU, the rules of their country of origin, or the rules in which they are working?
You guess...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0%2C3604%2C1432586%2C00.html
So from just after the WWII, we go from the Treaty of Paris to the Treaty of Rome, and then an almost 35 year gap to Maastricht, Treaty of Amsterdam and Treaty of Nice, none of which are any more enforcable than the last, and then the great triumph (extreme irony intended) of the Constitutional Referendums....and so much good will had been built up by 50 years work, we saw what happened there.
But noticably, the ONLY real accomplishment of the EU was to push through this currency. NOTHING else seemed achievable accept the printing of money. Does this make anyone suspicious? Do foriegn investors in Euro currency really have ANY clear understanding of the construction and legal standing of the....what, nation, confederation, organization, alliance, exactly what is it anyway (?), that they are investing in? I have friends who have proclaimed the U.S currency unstable, and called one of the new generation of "international brokers" and asked to be put in the Euro, it's the greatest thing around! When I talked to them I found out they had NO IDEA what the Euro currency or the European economy involved!
And for folks here who are fascinated by the energy situation, I DARE you to ask any of your savvy friends (not TOD readers now!) what the state of European energy is. See how many of them are aware of the North Sea decline and Europe's absolute reliance on Russion natural gas.
By the way, see how many of them know that Europe's unemployment rate is higher than the U.S.'s, or that Europe has a much higher percentage of population getting ready to retire. Just ask them.
We could go on with this for days, and I always feel like I am seen as being unfair or cruel to Europe. That is not the intent. But let's look at from another viewpoint. Just after 9/11, when America most needed it's own citizens to support it, when everyone was hanging a flag out, and when we most needed friends abroad, and everyone was sending us good wishes and flowers, we have to admit, Bush managed to pizz the world off at us.
That's o.k., Bush is not America. But, it was fascinating to watch how our so called "allies" and our "patriotic" business and investing class found any excuse to pull money and support out from under the U.S. just when we were at our weakness. Frankly, it has been sickening. The cultural self loathing that the Americans are capable of is astounding, a true cultural illness. These are the people who on the evidence of "Soviet Life" magazine, see that the U.S.S.R was a roaring success compared to the U.S., that the Japanese are incapable of error, that the Chinese are soon to rule the Earth, and of course, that Europe has ALWAYS been able to best an American in great philosophical, political and social constructions. O.K., fine, we know who our friends have been, and how quickly they will turn on us. But what has been surprising is how they will put their own money and future at risk to be spiteful and vengeful, and invest in schemes that with any analysis would be so suspect as to be obviously bogus.
On the other hand, the Russians do not seem to accept the myth so easily. They are being asked to give up something valuable (natural gas). They are being told they should be glad to give it over to the obviously superior Europeans, who know best how to run these things, and willingly take whatever volume of Euro currency the Europeans are willing to give them, because after all (the great motto of a bubble) it will always be worth later.
Gee, I wonder why they are doubtful? :-)
RC
The primary goal of the EU is solving problems that member states have in common by aligning their interests. In the 1000 years before its foundation, common problems (Access to shipping routes, resources, land etc) were usually solved through war, with the last two having devastating consequences. In that sense I would say that the EU has so far been very successfull, and the statement that its only real accomplishment is the introduction of the euro is laughable.
True, we don't have military power, but even if we did, what would you like us to do with respect to Russia? Threaten to invade or nuke them if they don't supply us with gas and oil on our terms? We all remember the fates of the armies of Napoleon and Hitler, and the Russians remember very well their 20 million dead from WWII. No one is interested in war over resources on the European continent, and the EU was not intended to provide a framework for imperialist military adventures.
With respect to the euro, if you have a problem with it, then I say it's our euro, and your problem. If other states prefer the euro over the dollar for their oil and gas payments, then so what? Even with the shenanigans that are going on with respect to the growth and stability pact, how do European deficits compare with the US deficts? Like you said, difficult to estimate, but I don't buy the idea that somehow the euro would be worse because its controlling entity is a central bank shared by 13 nations, instead of a central bank controlled by one government.
And hey, we pay Russia full market price for their oil and gas, they are not being ripped off, so we have a right to insist on reliable supplies. And I believe the EU leaders in general are very aware of our problematic energy supply situation, which is why proposals have been made to cut energy use 20% by 2020, and to diversify into renewables. even the nuclear debate is heating up again, even in the countries that already commited themselves to abandon their nuclear plants. So I would say that steps are being taken in the right direction.
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Re: about unemployment
I've heard that there are different rules for unemployment stats calculations (US vs. EU), so no direct comparison apply.
Re: Russians
They are trying to start trading in Roubles (Urals brend) wanna trade roubles?:)
About the whole post: emotions prevail, do You really feel so about EU? Did it take Your lanch?:)