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Here's what I need:
1. A car with a 200 mile range minimum.
2. Electricity
3. Heat
4. Food
When Lithium batteries can provide some of that I'll be interested. Go, try it, show me something useful! I want it and I'll take it - if, of course, I can afford it...
why do you NEED #1 ?
If you are a rural large animal veterinarian I can understand the "need".
Odd that you do not NEED "#5. Shelter", although perhaps that is covered in #1. Or "#6. Human Contact and Society" with medical care included in #6 or a #7.
Best Hopes for NOT needing cars with 200 mile range.
Alan
Well, my current reality is that I live 45 miles from work, so I need a car. I know, move closer to work. But I live in a small town that might fare better post-crash. And I work in a high-tech industry that consumes mucho electricity. So moving closer to a job that will likely go away soon seems like a bad idea.
Sure, I need those other things too. It wasn't meant to be a complete list, just my major energy needs.
Certainly if there was alternate transportation available I would consider it. At least my (purchased used) Corolla gets 36 MPG. But I'm not holding my breath for light rail between Weare NH and Tyngsboro Mass. I'm all for it, though!
I need to stop paying taxes to subsidize your absurd lifestyle.
No reason at all to suppose Weare will do well post-crash. Can't employ you now.
You are right, it is absurd. People like myself and Sunspot say that every morning as we roll out of bed. The problem is that a quick solution to the problem would mean that I lose a good bit of what I have invested in my rural home -- bought, I should add before I was fully aware of the consequences of buying such a property.
The problem is compounded by the fact that where I live, there is no broadband service so that precludes "telecommuting" (don't even say the word "dial-up." I'm lucky to get a stable 21k connection).
But I hear you. I know I'm only contributing to our current mess. I think about it every hour of the day.
OK. I'll try to focus on the absurdity and not the person. Still. Choices.
You make a very good point concerning 99.999% of the American public.
By the time they wake up to the crisis they will find themselve trapped in unsustainable living situations with very few alternatives available.
And they will not be as rational and calm as you are now when it happens.
Try a satellite modem.
Also if you have some tech savvy friends and hills around you can set up some
nice line of site communications using readily available equipment.
I'd suggest you get very friendly with local employees of the phone and cable companies
also.
http://whitepapers.techrepublic.com.com/casestudy.aspx?docid=133038
Generally if your tech savvy you can cobble together linux boxes to roll
your own network.
Laser links are cool and not that hard just they suffer from rain.
Finally high speed wireless from mobile providers is becoming common.
Last but not least check into buying a T1 or other fixed connection from your local provider or consider multiple pots lines with a linux load balancer.
A lot of times you can buy a 10 line business plan pretty cheap and get aggregate bandwidth thats not bad.
And of course get you lines checked and isolate the noise thats killing your connection.
Thanks, memmel. I periodically re-evaluate what I ought to do. I was very close to signing on with a regional provider of satellite internet service when I discovered that they were no longer taking customers (they promised a return to enrollment in the near future, but I haven't taken the time to check back).
This is the sort of service I get from the phone company (won't say the name but it begins with a "V" and rhymes with "horizon"): This past fall, our phone line had become so static-y that it was unusable even for local calls, so I called the phone co. and asked them to come out and have a look. I wasn't there when they came to do the repair but the tech told my wife that "the cups on the pole are installed upside down and they fill up with water when you get an extended period of rain." I assumed that he had corrected this, but the next time we had a hard rain, the static returned. We're the last house on a dead-end road, so there's nothing in it for the phone company to fix the problem. I'm sure our neck of the woods was without phone and electric for much of the twentieth century and I expect to be one of the first to be cut off when things get tight. Like oldhippie said, "Choices."
Thanks for you suggestions though. I'm going to write them down.
I am not a strong believer in telecommuting. But the broadband situation could most likely be fixed with a little bit of wireless equipment. My parents live in a village close to the middle of nowhere in Europe and they don't even have landlines for phones. The local telecom was dragging their feet about offering anything but cell-phone service and a few kbits/s for internet. A year and a half ago a small but rapidly growing company moved in, put a few antennas on a nearby tower and since then my parents have boradband for less than what I am paying for DSL. We use an IP phone application for free and have even a webcam going for less than what I would be paying for phone cards from the US to Europe.
If you have a line of sight to a nearby place with DSL, you should be able to get broadband. It wouldn't work in the middle of the forest, though...
Thanks, IP. Problem is I don't. Hilly terrain, no cable, no DSL within 4 miles.
That sucks... technologically speaking... since you seem to have a landline, in theory one can operate ADSL with line repeaters/loop extenders (bidirectional amplifiers) in the middle of the line over longer distances but I know that the phone companies are not keen on putting those in for customers. Not sure if there is any way of actually making them do it. Probably not... monopolists hardly ever move unless they are being forced by the government.
For what it's worth, if you haven't seen this, yet, here is what such a device looks like:
http://www.versatek.com/products/ver170r1.html
4 miles is at the limits of what these things can do, but they are, at least in theory, available.
Have you seen this (you would have to be somewhat desperate)?
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2001/pulpit_20010628_000421.html
I know your problem with DSL, cable etc. in rural hilly land To get around "dialup" with its peak speed of 18k for me, I went satelite. Which isn't as good as its cracked up to be. #1 is price-you have to pay for a new modem and a dish, plus installation. Some firms wave part of it. But often a big chunk-300 to 500 depending. Next is spotty transmission-forget it when it rains, or is foggy, or snowing. Then there's price again-monthly charges 3x dialup, for basic service, charges upped quickly if you use more bandwidth than min. Plus they want a credit card, and I liked my old local ISP-pay each month by mail or stopping in.
Still looking? I found Radioshack to be a satelite carrier/jobber for me.
Can you get ISDN service? I know its 'obsolete' technology, but 3x faster than a dial-up is not all that bad. It was all I had for a year in my rural location until DSL came available much sooner than I had anticipated. Want to buy an ISDN modem - cheap?
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I think small towns will fare worse post-crash.
Why? For the obvious reason that they're far from places with money, resources and power, and supplying them is petroleum intensive.
Electricity will not be going away, and in high tech at least there is now significant empahsis on using new technology for electric power efficiency.
High tech typically generates a fair amount of economic value per unit input petroleum.
I would think it's a good idea live in a district with a public utility with a modern nuclear power plant and a high standard of maintenance.