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I like everything. I would add education in conserving. Teach people how to conserve. What helps and what does not help.
Question: Would the tax apply to electicity generated by fossil fuels?
Rick
Question: Would the tax apply to electicity generated by fossil fuels?
Yes. Coal-generated electricity is a major contributor to Global Warming, and coal mining isn't exactly environmentally benign.
Don't forget Natural Gas generated electricty.
Rick
more thoughts... remove all business tax breaks for vehicles that are not used for business (like doctors driving Lincoln Navigators); raise the CAFE standards on all vehicles; tax production of vehicles that do not meet CAFE standards and tax the buyer (if for a legit business -like construction- allow tax exemption); heavily subsidize residential solar panels; put a moratorium on higher education building construction and road constuction (not road repair)
I think the simplest solution is to remove the subsidies for roads.
If the full cost of road building was passed on to the driver it would have a impact.
Next the now private road maintainers could easily charge by weight for travel on the roads since heavier cars cause more damage. Note this would put a quick end to shipping via truck also which is a good thing.
Finally the only tax needed is a environmental carbon tax so you pay for the co2 you produce this can be easily applied as a heavy fuel tax. Of course this also means environment taxes on metal etc used to manufacture the car so the bigger the car the tax.
It could and should be progressive.
Thus the government is doing what it should which is protecting the commons i.e the environment while the auto industry is thrown to the free market.
This sort of taxing scheme could also be applied to all waste. A progressive tax on large private homes and a heavy environmental taxes on non-renewable energy generation.
So basically if governments make maintaining the commons of which the environment is a big part we can and will change. The approach is simply to ensure you pay your fair share for consumption.
As long as consumption and environmental degradation is subsidized we will never do the right thing.
As far as taxing multiple children goes realistic and effective methods of birth control are readily available male contraceptives are close. The answer here is being frank about
the need to curb unwanted pregnancies. And along side this raise the educational and economic level of the population. Almost all advanced economies move to negative growth rates over time naturally so draconian measure are probably not needed.
For example my parents had three children one died and one will probably never have children. I have three children but as you can see the chances are that we will remain below the replacement rate since my brother has no children.
You can of course extend this over larger groups the important point is that the overall population needs to trend negative for years to come. Simple improvements to the quality of life result in this overall trend.
Finally you can't crash a population with draconian laws as China will find out I'm sure.
A over abundance of retiree's is a major strain on and economy. Japans economy is basically dead now because of the demographics the US is going the same way. Balance is the key.
This mean we need to work out ways to deal with a large population for the foreseeable future. Generally this means reducing the environmental impact of each individual.
The first step I see is requiring all private land to be productive or it reverts back to public land. This means it must be farmed or leased to someone who farms it.
Farming itself should be environmentally sound and could consist of simply using the land as a renewable wood lot or renewable harvesting of a intrinsic resource of the land like say edible wild mushrooms. As long as you show good stewardship an that the land produces enough to pay its taxes you get to keep it. Buildings would be heavily taxed and considered part of the land.
Townships would get a fixed amount of land to build on based on the ability of the surrounding land to support the inhabitants and the quality of the land used to site the town. Next they also have and added burden of supporting larger towns this can be done by
taxing larger towns and sending the revenue out to the supporting villages.
The whole idea is to encourage correct demographics which is villages built on the poorest soils with reasonable sized towns scattered at a much lower density.
Finally these towns should be linked with electric rail powered by renewable energy sources. Internally electric trolleys can be used if needed. A solar/wind powered train is basically free after fixed costs. You can line the rail track with solar panels and gain far more energy than required to run the trains if the the population densities are
correct. And you can use mixed freight/commuter trains. So generally you will be running enough trains carrying goods that and additional car for the small number of passengers
is not prohibitive.
And last but not least we can eliminate the 9-5 job cycle for many and move to distributed robotic/expert factories for goods production. So technology can readily remove the need for the twice daily mass migration of people. Functional teleconferencing
and other communication methods can eliminate a lot of travel. We still have a need to meet people face to face just for human bonding if for nothing else but personal meetings can be called for the real reason we meet which is we need the physical interaction.
Finally the end goal is to determine how to maintain a productive renewable society. Every year the solar energy falling on the earth is enormous if we use a small part of this energy to increase the quality of life for everyone I think we will find that as we adopt this approach and the population decreases we will eventually reach a high standard of living for all. Its not a closed system but we have to become wise stewards of our photons. The reason I went through the whole scenario is I think its critical that society start working from where they want to be in 50-100 years and work backwards.
By getting a consensus on how we want and must live its trivial to accept changes we need to make to achieve those goals. Until we convert ourselves into such a long thinking culture I think you will find any measures designed to achieve this goal will be subverted. So I have little hope in band-aids unless I see a dramatic change in the way people think.
Don't ever forget the other stable culture is one where the king owns everything and the serfs live in misery. Its easy to go back to a king/slave culture. I question if we ever really escaped it. I think oil just allowed fat and happy slaves and a few more kings.
I like how you've managed to justify indulging yourself in three children in you own mind. The population is way too large and draconian measures are needed to avert a die off. What would it have taken to persuade you to stop at zero or one?
I did not mention that I also had a child die.
So fuck off.
My sincerest condolences, memmel. Don't feel like you have to justify your children. The guy who has one child isn't better than you because he made this decision. Children are a precious resource. And while population size is a problem, the children that we do have should be cherished, protected, and not criticized because they were born.
I have 3 children myself. The last two were both conceived while my wife was on birth control. Now that I have them, I can't imagine not having my two (birth control) boys.
Thanks Robert...
I did not mean to be rude and maybe I should explain a bit.
Our first child died at a few months of age while I was living in Vietnam.
The hell I went throught trying to get her out of the country to treatment is unimaginable plus the experience of living for weeks in a rat infested third world hospital is something I think most people can't imagine.
I wash her feeding syringe so many times that the numbers wore off. And even though I could pay for more they simply did not have them.
Watching a baby die every night of a disease that is easily cured in the US is hard to live with.
I just want to say that I do understand deeply why people have so many children in the third world and I understand their pain when they lose them. I've lived with them through the experience.
Few people have and they truly have no idea which in one sense is good.
But on the other hand I feel that the entire world and our civilization is facing a crisis that requires us i.e. the entire human population to put aside our differences and opinions and work towards a better stable renewable civilization.
This means UNDERSTANDING why people have children and providing the safety net needed for people to feel comfortable with one or two children. And respecting the few that choose more for whatever reason.
I feel I do understand I have seen very few people put any effort into grappling the third worlds problems.
The will soon be ours or do you think a fence will stop millions of hungry Mexicans ?
I did not mean to be rude and maybe I should explain a bit.
No need to apologize for that.
Watching a baby die every night of a disease that is easily cured in the US is hard to live with.
I had two close calls with my own. My youngest nearly choked to death in my arms from congestion when he was 3 weeks old. I will never forget the feeling I had when I thought I was losing him. But we got him to the ER in time. Then, I saw my daughter run over (completely over) by a 750 pound snowmobile 2 years ago. Again, I thought I lost her and once again endured a feeling I don't wish on my worst enemy. Amazingly, the snowmobile just crushed her into the snow and she was bruised up.
These events have made me much, much more empathetic. I can't stand to see a child suffer, and my heart goes out to those who have lost children, or are suffering through a serious illness with a child.
I would not suggest for a minute that children are in some way "at fault" for being born, or that they should not be loved and cherished by their parents. You have my sympathy for the death of your child.
That being said; Every day there are an additional 1/4 million humans being added to the global population, which has doubled in my lifetime.
About 1/3 of all the humans who have ever lived are alive and walking around on the Earth right now.
In my opinion this is madness if we hope to survive as anything like a coherent culture.
Assign what value statements you wish to this.
It is also true that the world population is no longer growing exponentially. The rate of population growth is slowing and has been for some time (growth peaked in percentage terms at +2.19% in 1963, and in absolute terms at +87.8 million in 1989, according to the U.S. Census Bureau). Some here have argued that this is what happens in the last few generations of a species in overshoot, and others have argued that this is part of the normal course of demographic transition. If the latter is the case, world population is projected to max out at 9-10 billion people, then start to decline, sometime in the second half of this century.
Why is the population too large? We aren't short of crops now or even close.
Hi m,
I like your "no new roads" as the first up. And, just skimming below, I'm so sorry about your daughter. I'm touched you'd share this with us.
First, just a quick Q:
"Finally the only tax needed is a environmental carbon tax so you pay for the co2 you produce this can be easily applied as a heavy fuel tax. Of course this also means environment taxes on metal etc used to manufacture the car so the bigger the car the tax."
Could you possibly fill this in a bit more for me? How does this work? Who is taxed (exactly)? What about overseas manufacturing? Does this also amount to a tax on imports?