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I have tried to save some gasoline by driving a Prius and try to save more by minimizing my automobile trips. The biggest consumers of ethanol will be those who are driving the big thirsty trucks and SUVs, those who are doing virtually nothing to curb their consumption. I guess there is some consolation in the fact that the money I save on gasoline can go to pay for my increased grocery costs.
Who will be the first presidential candidate to reveal the false wizard behind the curtain, the first one to challenge the wizard of ozanol? There will not be a candidate who has the courage to do this as they will try to maintain the ethalusion as long as possible. None of them will have the courage to point out that we have met the enemy and he is us, that we will have to actually cut back our liquid fuel consumption, regardless of the source, that the drive for security is another false goal that will not be fixed by ethanol.
Unfortunately, it looks like the horse is pretty much all the way out of the barn.
I think we are caught in a trap here. Corn ethanol is a boon to the ag industry, mostly ADM I'd guess. However, enough farmers are seeing increased income that they will support it politically. The politicians have figured out that instead of paying tax dollars to farmers they can require the rest of us to burn ethanol inn our cars creating a captive market for the ethanol produced in the midwest. Thus we get instant capitol transfers from the coasts to the midwest.
There is no way this will end till it collapses under its own weight.
Hope you enjoy your Prius. I got one last summer. It is the most fun car I have ever owned. The scuttlebutt is that in a year or two the next major change to the Prius will arrive. Supposedly it will get somewhere around 80mpg and might be have a plug in option. That would be the best. If I could charge my Prius with solar panels on the roof of my house I'd be a happy camper.
Does anyone ever interject population growth into the debate when consumption comes up? Am I wrong in believing that an ever growing population is not the way to go in the face of impending resource shortages? The Sierra Club refuses to take a position on immigration and population growth. Does the The Oil Drum also take a pass?
Nope. Killing everyone except me, my friends and family is OK by me.
Some of your postings are insightful, yet I find that most appear to be maliciously inflammatory and contain either covert or overt personal attacks. In this manner, I believe you detract and do not contribute to the discussion. Without the personal attacks and inflammatory remarks I believe your insights would be valuable.
How about some context, shall we?
The Fractionation of lignocellulosic biomass is energy intensive. "In the reactive fractionation step, hemicellulose is most easily hydrolyzed, requiring a
mild alkaline solution and temperatures in the range of 150 to 200 °C (302 to 392 °F). Next,
lignin is removed under more severe conditions requiring a pH above 10, temperatures less than
250 °C (482 °F), the presence of an oxidizing agent, and pressures below 600 psi. The resulting
"clean" cellulose is mostly free of lignin and hemicellulose and is a purified feedstock for
enzymatic hydrolysis." Where do you get the energy to heat your biomass?
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/807155-kbdGYV/native/807155.pdf
Your statement is also misleading. The govt. is not specifically discussing incentives for converting biomass to ethanol, it IS discussing corn production, and your statement does not address mine that incentives will lead to farmers converting food and livestock feed production to ethanol production.
"Besides, starving children is rarely due to high price of corn. It is mainly due to population explosion and bad government."
I'm sure there is a special place in hell being prepared for you as we speak, high prices for food = demand destruction = starvation. Extremely simple equation. If you think people who cannot afford to eat will just lie down in the streets to die, I suggest you look at France just before the revolution and Czarist Russia just before the revolution.
Picture this. There are a bunch of debunkers making $7.00 hr. sitting at computers in little cubicles. They have a printout telling them what to try next if the previous post was challenged. I believe that is what we have had to deal with here since Stuart's 8% decline article.
Tis a pity this site gets infested by dorks who respond to a question about population growth with some drivel about killing everyone.
If you can't recognize a joke when you see one, you need to get out more.
If you think that was funny you need to get out more.