Why do smart people disagree on peak oil- from what I've seen they're not even arguing about the right things.

I would venture to guess that 90% of today's oil production stream is subject to a displacement process- principally water either natural or artificial.

The science is to focus on what is going in (water) and not what is coming out (oil) -- and the action is what is happening in between (under the ground). By the time the outlet gives you useful info, it is too late.

Stuart's "water in the gas tank"- is the seminal work on what is actually important... and the fundamental physics are applicable to all crude oil being displaced.

The geologists including but not limited to- West Texas, Colin Campbell, Pickens, Deffeyes have done a marvelous job of bringing this issue to light. Their focus should be on what is yet to discover.

The petroleum engineering community has done a lousy job of steering this discussion in the right area. That the right questions are being asked, pressuring Aramco for the right data. Their focus should be on what is on production.

Daniel Yergin has no more idea about what makes a barrel of oil come out of the ground than my kindergarten son... but he is not supposed to.

It is a shame that the engineering community has been so silent- only once in history will your knowledge play such a critical role in society.

In terms of leading, following, or getting out of the way, I would say the petroleum engineering profession has chosen the latter.

I don't want to get into a 30 post thread about why this is the case.... it just appears to be this way to me.

Fractional_flow - do you have any estimations of how energy intensive your area of industry is now vs 5-10 years ago, given that '90% of today's oil production stream is subject to a displacement process"? Thanks for your comments- I agree with you about engineers - engineers dont like politics, and this looks like a political rats nest.

They have to pipe seawater hundreds of miles and then pump it up to several thousand psi. Pretty power intensive.

Thanks, Nate for your excellent article!

Your Zergin epilogue was very good and funny!!!

"The age of easy oil is over" says Schlumberger chief executive Andrew Gould. How much longer do we have to wait until Zergin and Zillerson make similar statements?

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article130537.ece

Global oil and gas investment 'insufficient'

By Upstream staff

Investment in new oil and gas projects is not enough to boost needed global energy capacity, Schlumberger chief executive Andrew Gould today.

Gould told investment bank Howard Weil's annual energy conference that low investment and project delays, as well as rapid decline in existing fields were slowing the growth of energy capacity worldwide, MarketWatch reported.

"Supply response to create a cushion of spare production capacity will take longer than we originally thought," Gould said.

He said that while producers were coming to terms with higher costs, spare capacity remained below historical levels. He said only a recession could bring short-term relief to the situation by temprarily slowing demand.

"The age of easy oil is over," he said.

Nevertheless, Gould said he expected demand for the oilfield services offered by his company to increase over the next few years.

Schlumberger is the world's largest oilfield services company.

02 April 2007 17:12 GMT | last updated: 02 April 2007 17:58 GMT

The discussions here at TOD -- and this one is a great example -- show technical folks taking the public dialogue where it needs to go!

I doubt that we'll bring about a utopian outcome, but policy formed on such discussion will be better policy.

We face tough conflicts. Some "solutions" for climate change may mess with mitigation plans for peak oil, just as some "solutions" for peak oil will mess with mitigation plans for climate change.

I do not think we ought to focus our technical prowess on evaluating too much more about "how much is left" but rather need to focus entirely on transforming patterns of human settlement to be sustainable without heavy inputs from fossil fuels.

I think we have passed the stage where we can pour too much of our remaining limited resources into finding and extrcting more oil.

I think we need to focus on the radical changes needed to cut fossil fuel use and emmissions by 90% in 20 or 30 years -- no matter what resources are still in the ground.

Is that "radical change in patterns of human settelment" a good focus for engineers and technical folks?

I know that petroleum engineers will be working on the problem of what is left and where and "how to extract" to some degree, but I think we need to refocus on changing "us" very quickly and very radically.

Did I just get into the political morass now.....?

I think what's needed is one picture, immediately understandable by the non-expert, that brings everything together in one place.

It needs to include:

  • Predicted future production levels
  • Fake reserves
  • Net energy concerns
  • Exportland concerns
  • Geographical dependence
  • Technological levels and potential improvements
  • Alternatives

One image, preferably not just a graph. Concentration would probably be on the 'gap' between demand and supply - not absolute barrels of oil.

There is relatively little chance that most people will read complex arguments or seriously consider what will happen in 5 years time - unless they grasp it implicitly from the beginning. That goes double for engineers in the thick of it - they have a track record of not being able to see the wood for the trees.

My Oil Quiz is intended to be a step in this direction.

I posted this a week or so ago, so quite a few have already seen this.

FF: "Their focus should be on what is yet to discover."

Does anyone have a feel for how well the earth has been explored for oil? I've read various viewpoints that hit the extreme ends of the spectrum; from we've plotted every inch of the earth with 3D/4D all the way to we have vast areas left to explore.

Since I know zippo about the exploration process, it is hard to even imagine where the truth really lies. But if big oil companies are having a hard time replacing depleted reserves every year, it does seem obvious that significant finds are getting scarcer and further apart in time.

ckaupp,

Yours is actually a very good question, and I am in agreement with you, that one hears estimates all over the place. And, as you described yourself, I too know little about exploration. Some themes seem to be recurrent however:

--The independent oil companies of the West have less and less area that they are allowed to explore firsthand, due to the energy nationalism of various state controlled oil companies, and other prohibitions. They are trying to look for more and more oil in a smaller and smaller area of the planet. This is most pronounced in the OPEC/Persian Gulf region, and in Russia, places that the oil companies had hoped in years gone by to be included, but are now being excluded. One can presume a similiar fate in Latin America for many of the Western oil companies, as these nations become more and more nationalistic

---There are areas in which the oil companies have done no real exploration for a very long time, because they have not been allowed to drill, and if they found oil there, they would not be allowed to harvest. Various areas in the U.S. West and the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) of the U.S. come to mind. Again, the estimates of how much oil is there are widely varied, from barely a couple of years worth of production up to the hopes for a new North Sea. No one really knows, and only drilling at least in selected spots can tell.

---Of great interest are (a) Offshore Africa and (b) Arctic. Efforts now seem underway, but there are large areas in each region that have had little real exploration. Why?

It is easy to forget that after 1982, and for a subsequent 20 years or so, no one spent money in the oil business doing much exploration, because they were too busy fighting for their financial lives. This was the period of the greatest price collapse in oil from it's prior top in history, and most effort was expended on mergers in the oil business, as the remaining oil companies in the U.S. tried to survive. People now seem absolutely astounded that exploration and discovery dropped off! With cheap oil flowing from the Persian Gulf and the North Sea, who was willing to pull money off the table to explore oil that would then be sold at a givaway price? Would you have endorsed exploration in that environment as an oil company shareholder?

I do want to mention one more thing: Many have mentioned the move by the oil companies into very deep offshore ocean drilling as proof that they simply cannot find oil onshore. There may well be some truth in that, but it is not the whole story. The private oil companies are being driven offshore by lack of anywhere to even look onshore. Once you take out the areas forbidden to drill for environmental reasons (and I am not faulting that, but it is simply a fact of life for them) and take out the areas onshore controlled by nationalist or hostile parties, you see a smaller and smaller piece of the Earth available onshore for the oil companies to drill. There is some debate as to whether the major private oil companies of the West can survive into the future given the situation as it is, and it will surely become more difficult for them with each passing year. Going out to deep water is becoming the only game in town.

What the above situation means to the world is that it is becoming more and more dependent on the willingness and the competence of the state owned oil companies to explore for oil and gas, and find it if it is there.

But, do we know how much is left to be discovered? No. We certainly do not.

Roger Conner Jr.

Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom, and that cubic mile could be hiding just about anywhere!

you seem to suggest that nationalized oil reserves are not being exploited. take saudi aramco as an example. imo they are and have done an excellent job of extracting oil.

Fractional_flow - let me phrase the question directly:
Oil extraction uses Ein energy to get out Eout oil.
What is the relationship on the fields you are familiar with between the following variables?

%W+%G+%O=1
Eout-Ein=Esociety

As %W increases what happens to Esociety?

you pose an impossible question. the Ein would depend mainly on the depth of the oil. hypothetical examples could be examined.
i know of one field (natural water drive with produced water reinjection) producing about 97% water from a depth of 4800 ft that is making a fair profit. i dont see how that field is an energy sink, although i havent actually made a calculation.
another waterflood at 10000 ft is producing 70% water, which is making a profit on a monthly basis but has not paid out the initial investment in 2 1/2 yrs(and doesnt seen likely to in the immediate future). the operator keeps spending money on one problem well.
you make some very good points about the energy needed to produce oil from ever increasing depths. for many fields, 10000 feet is the practical limit for rod pumping and the practical limit for electrical submersibles as well (these wells were developed with relatively small 5 1/2 inch casing).

"..has not paid out the initial investment in 2 1/2 yrs"
Well, I don't know how to calculate for such a deep well, but how fast should it pay itself off? How does it work that it won't pay itself off in the near future but is profitable per month??

Like I wrote below, if it doesn't pay itself off in two years then it never will - or was our production curve so much different?

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My grandfather pumped oil with an engine-house,
my father pumped oil with a 20 lb. electric motor,
can't I just pump it online?

the investment i am talking about was conversion to waterflood for which the estimated cost (100%) was $600k, actual cost $ 1,200k the wells in the unit have averaged just about $ 40k net after taxes royalties and operating expenses so they are profitable on a monthly operating basis but payout has not occured. the cumulative net revenue revenue is just under the $1,200k and now an afe has been issued for another $ 188k . incidentally the oil price for this unit was $ 36.22 for january.

i read your post "down below" and yes the answer is apparently that the production curve must be very different. give me a two year payout on long lived reserves and i will buy as much of it as i can afford. the going rate for existing oil and gas acquisition is about 36 months current revenue for working interests and 48 months for royalties. although if you follow the auctions on www/energynet.com, there is sometimes a pissing match between two or more rams in rut and the price can go way up.