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feedorfeedback on March 16, 2007 - 5:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Well the solid state transistor didn't come out of the blue.

1883 The Edison effect (U.S. patent 307,031, the first patent for an electronic device)
1904 Fleming Valve later called diode
1915 The first true vacuum triodes
1931 The 845 power triode extensive used in RCA AM radio transmitters
1943 Colossus Mark I was an early binary electronic digital computer. Colossus used state-of-the-art vacuum tubes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/845_%28vacuum_tube%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer

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step back on March 16, 2007 - 8:31am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Well that's about the dumbest reply I've seen in years on TOD.
What are you trying to pull, and over whose eyes?
How does high voltage control of electron flow through a vacuum (in, yes, "vacuum" tubes) after having been released from a filament heated cathode have anything to do with formation of defect free single crystal silicon and semiconductor fabrication processes?

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Stuart Staniford on March 16, 2007 - 3:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Please keep the discussion civil - "dumbest reply" doesn't help that. Thanks.

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step back on March 17, 2007 - 12:05am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Sorry that was dumb of me.

Picture me contrite.

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feedorfeedback on March 17, 2007 - 3:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Sorry that was dumb of me.

Apologize accepted.

How does high voltage control of electron flow through a vacuum (in, yes, "vacuum" tubes) after having been released from a filament heated cathode have anything to do with formation of defect free single crystal silicon and semiconductor fabrication processes?

Sure tubs aren't made of same materials and operate at much higher voltages. But the principles behind the transistor, controlling & amplifying currents, were already in used in vacuum tubes 50 years before the first solid state transistor. In that sense transistors aren't really novel.

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panarchist on March 18, 2007 - 3:27am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Like biological evolution, technological evolution seems to me to follow a process of selection for successful small variations (mutations) on previous ideas (traits). When viewed in the near term, these micro-scale evolutionary changes don't appear to be very novel. However, I believe that Darwin's finches evolved different beaks (no matter how subtle) because there were ecological niches/food sources (i.e. marketplace opportunities) available for those who evolved ways to tap into them.

When viewed at a macro-scale, a series of seemingly minor evolutionary changes actually creates novel innovations such as single-cellular lifeforms and eventually humans. We share approximately 90% of our genome with rats, 98% with chimpanzees, and 99.9% with other humans. I'd say novelty is in the eye of the beholder (and the spatial and temporal scales at which it is being viewed).

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