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TheRedBaron on March 31, 2007 - 11:21am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

What on earth do you mean by proactive - bomb Iran?? There are already some 300 nuclear weapons in the Middle East, built by US ally Israel. Does anyone suppose that Israeli introduction of nuclear weapons will not lead to others following. It's normal that an arms race has more than one participant. After the 1956 attack on Egypt, France provided the Israeli reacton and the UK supplied the heavy water moderator
Furthermore the issue is trivial. Global warming through unconstrained consumption of fossil fuels threatens to destroy all live on planet earth this century. Which nation has the largest per capita production of carbon dioxide? Why not be proactive nearer home.

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Jussi on March 31, 2007 - 11:35am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Professor Newt Gingrich recommends that Blair be more proactive:

Newt Gingrich became the most prominent figure to suggest military retaliation. The former House speaker said Blair should threaten to destroy Iran's oil-production capacity.

By forcing the Iranians to "go back to walking and using oxen to pull carts," they might overthrow the hard-line government, he said.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03312007/news/worldnews/iran_flaunts_its_war...

Isn't it great to see how senior republicans are still able to think outside the box...?

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capslock on March 31, 2007 - 12:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

One of the symptoms of sociopathology is that they cannot forsee the consequences of their actions.

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tstreet on March 31, 2007 - 3:24pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Actually, many Americans might have to go back to walking as well. What a concept. God knows Gingrich doesn't walk anywhere.

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memmel on March 31, 2007 - 2:01pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I think its too late to avert global warming.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

The Barents Sea is already almost melted already this year.

I'm not saying we should not change and change fast because of this I'm just saying we have probably done far more damage then people realize.

The nuclear proliferation problem is one that we can prevent by simply using less oil and defusing the situation.

Generally we have looked at peak oil as a economic problem but once you consider the possibility of nuclear proliferation it becomes even more pressing that we should address it. This is not to belittle the global warming issue we seem to be ignoring, simply stating we may have not fully considered the possible impact of peak oil in a nuclear world.

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tstreet on March 31, 2007 - 3:30pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Of course it is too late to avert global warming since it has been occurring for at least 100 years. The question is not whether we can avert global warming, the question is whether or not we can avert a near or total catastrophe. James Hansen says we need ten years and I believe he said that about a year ago. Nine years and counting.

Thus far, all we have to show for our efforts are a few hybrids, an ethanol program that is driving up food prices, and a few pathetic attempts by our congress to do some paltry research on alternatives, including hydrogen and better batteries.

Nine years goes all too quickly. Nine years ago I was ranting about global warming and almost nothing has occurred since then to give me much hope. Kyoto. A pathetic attempt to address global warming, especially without the Unites States and the Europeans will have trouble even meeting those goals.

Clmate Action day is this April 14th. Be sure to walk in your local march, if there is one. If there isn't one, organize a march.

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derix on March 31, 2007 - 10:30pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Not against marches, but I feel strongly that the primary message must be that what can seem like a perfect storm threatening us on this planet is something that will in large part have to be weathered rather than averted, whatever form it may take. Who are we marching against really?? Does one march against a storm? Is there nothing to do but to shake our fists at the sky?
There are things we should be doing and should be politically pushing for without a doubt...but I would simply like to suggest that the most valuable contribution anyone can be making (inclusive, not exclusive of everything else) is to prepare internally to face the future - and to face our own fears first. Otherwise we just add velocity to the wind!

sure I'm preaching to the choir in large part :)
& myself fer sure!
Robert

many thnx to the heroic efforts behind TOD!

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fromthepriesthole on April 1, 2007 - 7:57am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

GREAT COMMENT!

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oldhippie on March 31, 2007 - 4:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I watch the Cryosphere Today site too. It looks like this year's maximum extent of sea ice was reached February 12th or 13th. That would put us into a cycle with 5 months of freeze-up and 7 months of thaw instead of 6 and 6.
The data are noisy and someone else can interpret it some other way. I have no particular expertise and I'd defer to anyone with an expert interpretation. The raw data on its face is terrifying.

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memmel on March 31, 2007 - 9:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I post a link to it periodically on the oil drum its a fantastic site.

I noticed the same thing myself. This time around though their is a lot more open water earlier in the arctic so I'm wondering if the rate of change won't increase a lot this year. Its amazing watching it melt just about in front of your eyes. Makes it a lot easier to realize that big changes can and will happen.

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