some don't buy the whole GW thing.

some don't buy it's a CO2 thing..

I see climate change, I also differ on what the outcome may be.

How cold does it need to get for the next ice age.

the answer is, it doesn't need to get colder. All thats missing mainly is MOISTURE in the winter. Recall any huge snowfalls and snow storms this year. How man flash floods in the US and across the world. Our Hurricane season last year was not up to predictions, though the Pacific got POUNDED by huge and numerous Typoons. The formation of hurricanes and how they get their energy is a "theory" about warm water etc. This theory may not be correct. Observations show increase in strength when moving into cold waters, which flies in the face of the warmer waters provide the energy. Hurricanes and tornado's, we have much to be learn about them. And that danged pesky formation in the eye's of class 5 that looks all the world like a geomectric pattern.

Have some time visit http://www.meru.org/ there is a thirty minute video on googlevideo. Up until recently the series was up, but they must have objected and put up the "teaser". Its not 'religious" per se, its about how the original hebrew text of Genisis is much more than words, much much more.

The math guys here should get a real kick out of this. Everyone will, its pretty remarkable what this man has discovered.

Quid Clarius Astris
Ubi Bene ibi patria