GHAWAR: an estimate of remaining oil reserves and production decline (Part 2 - results)

Two volumetric simulations (2D) of the initial and remaining reserves in Ghawar, the world’s largest producing oil field, have been determined. The High Case scenario uses somewhat more optimistic assumptions than the Base Case scenario. Background and methodology are described in detail here.

Estimate of initial oil in place = 162 billion barrels (same for High and Base cases)

High Case
Produced oil = 63 billion barrels
2004 reserves = 43 billion barrels
60% depleted

Base Case
Produced oil = 55 billion barrels
2004 reserves = 34 billion barrels
62% depleted

The Base Case production model shows Ghawar on the edge of irreversible production decline that may start around 2010 or it may already have started. The High Case production model is more robust and shows plateau production maintained until around 2013.

Reserves estimates

The areas of unswept oil observed on the Linux simulation (Figure 5, Part 1) transferred onto Croft’s map are shown in Figure 16. The measured map areas shown in Figure 16 are the same for Base Case and High Case. Base Case reserves estimates are also shown.

The reserves estimates for Base and High Cases are summarised in Tables 1 and 2. All details of input variables to these estimates are on the XL spread sheet that can be downloaded here.

All these estimates are to be viewed as provisional and subject to change as new information may come to light or as assumptions are refined.

All readers are also reminded that these estimates are a back of the envelope style calculation and are subject to large uncertainties. Jeremy Gilbert rightly pointed out that the only organisation with the data to perform this task properly is Saudi Aramco.

Note that the producing region boundary between Hawiyah and Uthmaniyah used here has been changed form those used by Croft and others. The traditional boundary chops off the north end of the Haradh – Hawiyah ridge that makes little geological sense so I have adjusted this boundary as shown in Figure 16 to follow more closely the geological structure.

Should anyone wish to propose modifications to the input to this model then I will be pleased to make adjustments so long as a good argument for doing so is presented.



Figure 16. Contoured base map of Ghawar from Greg Croft with areas of presumed dry oil and swept zones inferred from Figure 5 (Part 1) superimposed. The areas were measured by careful counting of 1 mile squares laid out in a grid as shown. Base Case reserves estimates are indicated. See Table 2 for High Case estimates.

The boundary between Hawiyah and Uthmaniyah has been modified from Croft to follow the geological structure.

Base Case Initial STOIP Initial Reserves 2004 STOIP 2004 Reserves % depleted Produced
N Ain Dar 20.4 12.1 2.51 1.49 88 10.6
S Ain Dar 16.4 9.69 2.78 1.65 83 8.04
Shedgum 21.1 11.3 9.58 5.14 55 6.15
Uthmaniyah 43.6 29.3 9.67 6.50 78 22.8
Haradh 29.7 13.4 18.7 8.42 37 4.96
Hawiyah 30.6 13.8 24.7 11.1 19 2.62
Totals 162 89.5 68.0 34.3 62 55.1

Table 1 Base Case reserves estimates for Ghawar oil field, Saudi Arabia. All figures in billions of barrels.

High Case Initial STOIP Initial Reserves 2004 STOIP 2004 Reserves % depleted Produced
N Ain Dar 20.4 14.3 3.14 2.21 85 12.1
S Ain Dar 16.4 11.5 3.48 2.45 79 9.06
Shedgum 21.1 13.4 12.0 7.62 43 5.78
Uthmaniyah 43.6 34.8 9.67 7.48 79 27.3
Haradh 29.7 15.8 18.7 9.90 37 5.86
Hawiyah 30.6 16.2 24.7 13.1 19 3.09
Totals 162 106 71.7 42.8 60 63.2

Table 2 High Case reserves estimates for Ghawar oil field, Saudi Arabia. All figures in billions of barrels.

There is no difference between the high case and base case initial STOIP (stock tank oil in place) – 162 billion barrels. The High Case initial reserves estimate – 106 billion barrels, is significantly higher than the Base Case – 90 billion barrels, owing to higher oil column thickness and recovery factors used in the former.

The base case suggests 34 billion barrels reserves remaining in 2004 with 55 billion barrels already produced.

The high case suggests 43 billion barrels reserves remaining in 2004 with 63 billion barrels produced.

The reserves depletion levels are 62% for the Base Case and 60% for the High Case – both significantly higher than the 48% depleted value given by Saleri.

Areas of over – and under – estimation

The following summarises my views on where the reserves estimates reported here either under or over estimate.

Overestimation

  • Ignoring edge wedge effects will have lead to overestimation of initial STOIP. And overestimation of remaining reserves in Haradh and Hawiyah.

Underestimation

  • In transferring swept area data onto Croft’s map, the swept area in Haradh may have been overestimated leading to underestimation of remaining reserves (the estimated 37% depletion seems too high).
  • All reserves estimates reported here are based on the unswept dry areas in Figure 5 and the wet area production immediately adjacent to the dry areas. No allowance is made for wet area only production. This may proceed for decades with high water cut.
  • It is possible that the net reservoir thickness data provided by Croft does not take into account recovery from lower permeability rock made possible by horizontal drilling. Using thicker net pay (albeit with lower porosity and permeability) may add further to reserves.
  • It is possible that the area on Croft's map leads to underestimation across Ain Dar - Shedgum

On balance, over- and underestimation will tend to cancel each other out, however, the balance sheet seems biased towards underestimation. It needs to be noted, however, that the reserves that are potentially underestimated are not easily produced being contained in either poor quality rock or in wet areas. These reserves will not significantly impact the decline of Northern Ghawar but may add significantly to tail end production.

Comparison with official Saudi statements

Ain Dar – Shedgum area

Dr Saleri provided us with a snapshot of Ain Dar Shedgum in his 2004 CSIS presentation (large pdf) (all data believed to be 2004 status). The key figures:

Saleri High Case Base Case
Produced 26.9 27 25
Remaining proved reserves 13.9 12 8
Initial reserves 40.8 39 33
Initial oil in place 68 58 58
Recovery (produced+proved)/initial 60% 67% 58%

The correspondence between Saleri’s produced, remaining and initial reserves with my High Case scenario is striking. Sufficiently so to give me a fair degree of confidence that the methodology I have employed is generally valid. However, the agreement with initial oil in place is not so good, Saleri quoting a significantly higher figure of 68 billion compared to my high case estimate of 58 billion. And this then highlights a conflict in the way all the numbers are derived. My high case already assumes a high recovery factor of 67% while Saleri’s numbers assume 60% recovery leading to the expectation of more probable and possible barrels to be produced as indicted in Figure 17.



Figure 17. The Aramco view of Ain Dar and Shedgum in 2004 from Dr Saleri’s presentation (pdf).

Whole Field

Heading Out brought the paper by Jaffe and Elass (pdf) to our attention in his post Simple mathematics - The Saudi reserves, GOSPs and water injection. Jaffe and Elass (2007) provide an indication of the current Saudi view of Ghawar’s production history where they say that Ghawar still contains 70 billion barrels of reserves and is 48% depleted. In this case my figures have been adjusted for 3 years production (5 million barrels per day for 3 years is 5.5 billion barrels) to bring them into line with Jaffe and Elass’ 2007 data.

The Jaffe and Elass data have been reduced as follows:

70 billion = 52% of reserves, therefore initial reserves = (70/52)*100 = 135 billion.
With 70 billion remaining we get the 65 billion produced figure (135-70).

Jaffe and Elass High Case Base Case
Produced 65 68 61
Remaining proved reserves 70 37 29
Initial reserves 135 106 89
Depletion % 48 65 68

As was the case with Ain Dar – Shedgum, there is actually remarkable correspondence between the production figures – the High Case being a bit higher and the Low Case being a bit lower than Jaffe and Elass.

However, the similarity ends there. The much higher Saudi initial reserves estimate gives rise to a remaining reserves estimate that is double mine, and this in my opinion masks the precarious state of depletion of Ghawar. The Saudis say 48% depleted while my High Case suggests 65% depletion.

The initial STOIP figure I have for the field is 162 billion barrels and this assumes generally high oil saturations throughout. The Jaffe and Elass initial reserves figure of 135 billion implies 83% recovery against my initial STOIP value. My initial STOIP calculation does of course hinge on the map scale and Croft’s average reservoir parameters being correct. If there are major errors there then perhaps someone could let us know?

Comments by Simmons

In his 2004 presentation, Matthew Simmons (large pdf) points to a 170 billion initial STOIP figure for Ghawar and he says that this matches Aramco’s 1975 estimate (pre full nationalisation).

My figure of 162 billion is a bit lower and I wonder if map scaling issues across S Ain Dar – Shedgum may account for this difference?

Nevertheless, the agreement is pretty good (5% difference) – considering my figures are produced on the back of an envelope, these areas of agreement underpin my confidence in my general approach. This emphasises the significance of differences between my estimates of remaining reserves and those reported by Saudi Arabia.



Figure 18. A view on Ghawar’s reserves provided by Matt Simmons in his 2004 presentation (pdf).

Production models

The production models for base case and high case scenarios rely on certain assumptions being made. Some details exist about production in the different areas of Ghawar. Overall production is assumed to be 5 million barrels per day. Published data point to 500,000 bpd in N ‘Ain Dar and 2,000,000 bpd for Ain Dar and Shedgum combined. Haradh is reported to be producing 900,000 bpd leaving 2,100,000 million barrels per day in Uthmaniyah and Hawiyah. The following distribution of production between the various areas has been assumed:

N Ain Dar 500,000
S Ain Dar 500,000
Shedgum 1,000,000
Uthmaniyah 1,500,000
Haradh 900,000
Hawiyah 600,000
Total 5,000,000

The production models have been run until all the estimated recoverable reserves have been consumed in the respective areas. Rapid decline over 5 year periods has been built into the models to take account of the growing use of horizontal wells in the development programs.

The reserves models suggest that Hawiyah contains the largest remaining reserves volumes and in each model a program of horizontal well drilling associated with new GOSPs are assumed to compensate for declining production in N Ghawar. It is envisaged that these projects would be similar to Haradh III, comprising smart MRC wells and each GOSP handling 300,000 bpd. In the base case, the reserves will only support a 2 GOSP development in addition to the assumed existing production. In the high case model, reserves would support a 3 GOSP extension to the field, each producing 300,000 bpd.

The base case production model presents a sobering picture of the state of N Ghawar (Figure 19). N Ain Dar is forecast to come off plateau production in 2010, followed by S Ain Dar, Uthmaniyah and Shedgum. The anticipated rapid decline of these areas points to most of the primary production in N Ghawar coming to an end around 2018 (Figure 19).



Figure 19. Base Case production model for Ghawar. The model is run until all remaining reserves in sub-structures are consumed. Not shown is potential wet area only production that may prolong the tail if sufficient investment is made in water handling facilities.

To compensate for falling production in the North, it is assumed that there will be further development of the South with Hawiyah GOSPS I and II partly offsetting the decline of the North. Around 2018, Ghawar production would settle on around 2,000,000 bpd but by 2030 most primary dry oil reserves will be exhausted.

It has to be noted that the timing of these events are based on the assumption that the Linux map is dated 2004. Should it reflect the situation in 2003 or earlier then the events described above will all happen correspondingly earlier – and 2010 is only three years away.

The High Case model presents a much more robust picture with plateau production close to 5,000,000 bpd sustainable until around 2013 (Figure 20). Following that, Northern Ghawar declines as described for the Base Case with N Ain Dar first, followed by S Ain Dar, Uthmaniyah and Shedgum. The higher reserves in the High Case also allows for a 3 GOSP redevelopment of Hawiyah with ample reserves to sustain a new plateau of 2,500,000 bpd until 2030 (whether reservoir performance will permit this or not is another issue).



Figure 20. High case production model for Ghawar. This model produces only 7 billon barrels more oil in the forecast period than the Base Case but this has a profound effect on delaying and reducing near term and longer term decline illustrating the sensitivity of these models to reserves uncertainties.

The High Case provides a very different outcome to the Base Case. Throughout the forecast period, the High Case produces 7 billion barrels more oil than the Base Case (23% more). This does not seem a lot but it has a profound effect on the near term and longer term outcomes. All readers of this article need to bare in mind the large uncertainty of these forecasts.

The additional oil in the High Case model comes from assumed, thicker oil columns in 2004 and higher recovery factors, especially in Haradh and Hawiyah. In the absence of reliable data (in the hands of Saudi Aramco) it would be unwise to discount the High Case model all together.

Consequences and conclusions

The ravages of 50+ years production on reserves in Northern Ghawar are there for all to see on the Linux oil saturation model (Figure 5, Part 1). Northern Ghawar is in a heavily depleted state and will shortly enter a period of irreversible decline. However, despite being around 88% depleted, regions like N ‘ Ain Dar, still contain a significant amount of recoverable dry oil – about 1.5 billion barrels in the case of N ‘Ain Dar. This is sufficient to support 500,000 bpd production for a few years yet (183 million barrels per year).

One thing I feel is important for OECD based observers to understand is that Ghawar has not been developed like commercial oil fields in the west. The field has never been produced at anything close to its production potential and this means that existing lower rates of careful production can be maintained, even though the field may be 65% depleted.

The real trouble for Ghawar and Saudi Arabia will start when N and S ‘Ain Dar and Uthmaniyah all begin to decline at about the same time, somewhere in the time frame 2010 to 2013 in my opinion. It is possible that this process has already begun and I eagerly await Stuart’s interpretation of these vital, highly depleted areas.

In preparing these reserves and production forecasts I became acutely aware of their sensitivity to varying certain assumptions and I have swayed between seeing an immediate production crisis and my established view that Saudi production will be maintained for a number of years to come. The data have led me to settle on the latter point of view. New field developments such as Khursaniyah (gas), Shaybah extension and Khurais will in my opinion enable Saudi Arabia to grow production slowly between now and 2013.

As I see things, the main consequence of the pending decline in Ghawar for world energy supplies is that Saudi Arabia, and other OPEC countries, will not be able to meet rising demand in full, giving rise to repeated cycles of rising prices and demand destruction. Saudi Arabian oil production will of course decline one day, but that day still seems to be a few years off. Falling oil and gas production throughout the OECD is the major energy security problem confronting the World Economy today.

The main conclusion to draw from the reserves data presented here is that the produced oil volumes tally in a general sense with figures released by Aramco. There are significant discrepancies however, with the remaining reserves figures. The data presented here show significantly lower remaining reserves than reported by Saudi Arabia and this reduces the outlook for future production growth.

Acknowledgements

Over the past two weeks, Stuart Staniford and I have been working closely with each other and have exchanged hundreds of emails. Stuart has been doing all the work – finding and reading thousands of pages and sending me summary information and key diagrams. Stuart is working independently on a Ghawar reserves model and we agreed to keep our key assumptions from each other in the interest of obtaining two independent results. Stuart is applying his computing and graphics skills to produce a more sophisticated model than mine, which I await with great expectation and some trepidation. Stuart kindly agreed to allow my more humble offering to go first.

Bob Shaw found the Linux oil saturation visualistaion and numerous other key data sources. And so I am indebted to him and several other TOD posters for their committed data mining and analytical expertise – Heading Out, Fractional Flow, Plucky Underdog and GaryP to name but a few.

Two industry friends who wish to remain anonymous provided valuable advice on the assumptions made in the models presented and have checked my spread sheet for methodological and data input errors. One is a Senior Production Geology Supervisor, the other is a Senior Reservoir Engineer.

Last must not least I need to thank my 14-year-old son Duncan who counted all the squares on the swept and un-swept zones (1624 squares in all) and who drafted many of the maps and diagrams presented in this post.

Saudi Aramco

One thing to emerge from the vigorous debate about Saudi Arabian reserves on TOD in recent weeks is the fact that Saudi Aramco are a highly competent organization doing a superb job of handling these assets that are so important to the global economy. Clear distinction needs to be made between the technical expertise of Aramco and the political statements about reserves and future production.

This article has been prepared in good faith, aimed at providing an independent view of the production history and remaining reserves in Ghawar. If here are major errors in the input data to my model then I will be pleased to revise this model should more accurate and reliable input data become available.

Recent Oil Drum articles on Saudi Arabia:

by Stuart Staniford

The Status of North Ghawar

Further Saudi Arabia Discussions

Water in the Gas Tank

A Nosedive Toward the Desert

Saudi Arabian oil declines 8% in 2006

by Euan Mearns

GHAWAR: an estimate of remaining oil reserves and production decline (Part 1 - background and methodology)

Saudi production laid bare

Saudi Arabia and that $1000 bet

by Heading Out

Simple mathematics - The Saudi reserves, GOSPs and water injection

Of Oil Supply trains and a thought on Ain Dar

by Ace

Saudi Arabia's Reserve "Depletion Rates" provide Strong Evidence to Support Total Reserves of 175 Gb with only 65 Gb Remaining

Further Evidence of Saudi Arabia's Oil Production Decline

Euan - Congratulations and thank you for this fine piece of work. As I attempt to process all this information a question came to mind - given the sharp production fall that occurs in either of your two scenarios, and given Saudi Aramco's careful management of the field, do you think it is possible that the most recent 'OPEC quota'-driven (supposedly) drop in S.A. production is actually aimed at prolonging the life of what is left and replacing a sharp drop with a gentle decline?

Thanks again for your great work.

'OPEC quota'-driven (supposedly) drop in S.A. production is actually aimed at prolonging the life of what is left and replacing a sharp drop with a gentle decline?

I think this is a quite likely scenario. With no substitute for crude oil on the horizon, medium term oil prices can only go up, and so IMO it must make sense to the Saudis, and other OPEC producers to produce more slowly, for longer at higher price.

That does make the most sense, drawing a higher number of dollars out of the global economy over a longer period. It's good oil field management. Now let's hope that the House of Saud can manage the political side of the kingdom as well as their engineers are managing the oil field side.

However, this still leaves us globally in quite a bit of a pinch, doesn't it? OPEC is not going to grow to 40-50 mbpd as envisioned in the fantasies of CERA and non-OPEC is very flat and beginning to fall so who fills in the gap? Nobody!

I see huge political mileage for the person who can come up with and successfully push programs like those from Alan Drake or Engineer-Poet.

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

Now let's hope that the House of Saud can manage the political side of the kingdom as well as their engineers are managing the oil field side.

I have to say I have no idea of what you are talking about with this. Is this some reference to the bogeyman of Islamic fundamentalism? Saudi Arabia is already the greatest bastion of Islamic fundamentalism on the face of the planet. Christianity is illegal, no alcohol, stoning of adulterers... So you must mean anti-Americanism, right? Well, excuse mme if I say the rest of us don't care. You reap what you sow. You supported these dicks in the first place, and are responsible for the rise of fundamentalism throughout the rest of the Islamic world as well (the CIA and the madrassas to make cannon fodder for the war in Afghanistan, anyone?) So, if by 'political side' you mean 'The place might end up with people who won't sell to the USA!', well bad luck. What else would you expect? I'm sure they will still be quite happy to sell to the Germans, the French, the Japanese, and the Chinese.

Franz - Speaking that kind of truth to the biggest bully on the block will earn the retribution you do not deserve, but remember, God made us the biggest bully so we can protect God's chosen people, so Jesus can come back. OY Vey!

So, if by 'political side' you mean 'The place might end up with people who won't sell to the USA!'

He may mean 'can't sell to anyone', due to internal turmoil like that in Iraq or (to a lesser extent) Nigeria.

The House of Saud isn't the most progressive group of people, but if they fail to contain internal tensions in KSA and substantial unrest breaks out, the skillful management of the engineers won't prevent oil production from (probably) dropping substantially.

If it ends up with a group in charge that is producing well but just won't sell to the US, that won't really make any difference - oil is (mostly) fungible.

non-OPEC is very flat and beginning to fall

"Non-OPEC growth in 2007 is unchanged at 1.1 mb/d, versus 0.4 mb/d in 2006, extending the sharp recovery evident since mid-2006."
IEA Oil Market Report, page 1.

It is certainly possible that they are wrong, however, so I would be very interested to see your evidence that non-OPEC oil production is beginning to fall.

Euan,

Congrats on a great piece of work, way beyond my ability. I share your excitement (trepidation) about Stuart's results.

I think many in the TOD sphere might consider your results to be "cornucopian" relative to recent discussions. Premptively, I would suggest that they compare your base and high case scenarios to what we are told by Aramco, namely that they can plateau production for another 30 years without a problem.... Even your best case gives us only 6 years before Ghawar starts to decline very quickly. Given the import of Ghawar in the macro scheme of oil production, this should be very worrying to any observer or forecaster.

I looked around the internet for information about Hawiyah a few days ago and could only find information relating to production of NG and NGLs. See this link http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2456/179010. NGL production looks set to increase to about 480 kbpd by the end of the year and NG production to 5.20 BCF/day. I assume that the NGLs are not included in your Hawiyah output forecast since they are not crude oil.

Unless I have my decimals in the wrong place, 5.20 BCF/day is equivalent to just under 900 kboepd. With the additional 480 kbpd of condensates, Hawiyah will be producing about 1.4 million bpd of oil equivalent by the end of 2007.

Were you aware of this production at Hawiyah and, if not, how would it affect your forecasts for up to three 300 kbpd GOSPs and 900 kbpd oil production in the future?

Addendum Edit: Wouldn't this volume of NG production also suggest the presence of a large gas cap in the most elevated part of the Ghawar structure, the Hawiyah / Haradh crest? If this is the case, it must necessarily impact on oil production potential there, simply by reducing the volume of oil reserves . Furthermore, by producing NG and condensate, would it not have the effect of reducing reservoir pressure substantially, thus making any oil recovery in the Hawiyah part of the field a lot more difficult?

I am coming to a layman's conclusion that Aramco has decided that NG and condensates will be what is produced from Hawiyah, and that whatever oil is produced will come a lot later and in much smaller volumes than the 600 - 900 kbpd suggested by Euan in his conclusions.

Bunyonhead - I wasn't aware of the "Hawiyah" gas and NGL production described in this link you provided:

http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/saudi-aramco/

This gas is probably produced from the deeper / older Khuff Formation (Permian age) with prognosis for 300,000 bpd NGL production. This will not affect my prognosis for Arab D oil production - but it sure will assist the Saudis offset some declines in crude oil production else where in Ghawar.

THE PERMIAN KHUFF STRUCTURE OF GHAWAR

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/2004/afifi01/index.htm

Thanks Euan. So we can add a further 300 kbpd to the Total Liquids from Saudi by the end of 2007.

Three supplemntal questions:

- Is it right to say that the Ghawar oil fields sit "on top" of the Khuff structure you have shown above?

- What is KSA doing with all this NG production?

- Why have we heard nothing about plans for Hawiyah Megprojects?

If we need these as soon as you think, then I am surprised that I cannot google any information at all about plans for Hawiyah GOSPs....

Sorry bunyonhead, I don’t have the source but I read a long time ago that NG in Saudi is mostly spent in water desalinization. They don’t have any other source of water than the sea…

It is shocking to see in the CIA World Factbook that the Saudi NG production of 65.68 billion cu m (2004 est.) equals their domestic consumption!

Actually Saudi Arabia has two huge aquifers underlying much of the country. In fact they have been farming wheat there and watering it with aquifer water.

There are many oasis in the country where the aquifers reach the surface. Date palms surround the oasis.

However all the aquifer water is not potable but much of it is. They do have desal plants all along the coast and pipe water all the way to Riyadh from desal plants near Ras Tanura. When I was there in the early 80s, I saw the completion of a huge desal plant just north of Ras Tanura. The pipelines were the largest I have ever seen lain overland.

Since I was there another, even larger, desal plant has been built very near that one.

Saudi also uses natural gas to generate electrical power. Gazlan power plant, near Ras Tanura was a hydro (boiler) plant that burned natural gas but could also burn crude oil or naphtha. Of course the desal plants can also burn crude or naphtha but mostly they burn natural gas.

Ron Patterson

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0016-7398%28199207%29158%3A2%3C215%3ADG...

We know from Voelker's thesis that Hawiyah has been on production since the mid 70s. Some wells, but not all, were rested during the period of low demand in the early eighties. We also know (from Croft tables, and from the relative perm graphs in the "50 years of wettability" paper) that the rock properties are much worse, so both rates of production and ultimate recovery will be lower, especially the former. I think Euan and I broadly agree that South Ghawar has a lot of oil left, and will produce for a long time, but is unlikely to substitute for the North Ghawar production that is being/will be lost.

Stuart, I have been trying to understand the grpah from the "50 years of wettability" paper.

I don't understand the implications of the relative permeability changes when Sw>50%. Does the water co-mingle with the oil or simply leave it behind as it rises to the crest?

Either way, the suggestion is that waterflood is not a good technology to increase production rates.

Is it possible therefore that Aramco is going to reinject the 5.20 bcf/day of dry gas from the Khuff into the Hawiyah Arab-D Formation in an effort to enhance oil recovery?

Given the import of Ghawar in the macro scheme of oil production

It might be worth clarifying what that import is.

Euan estimated Ghawar's production as 5mb/d, which is a pretty standard estimate. World oil production was about 85mb/d last year (IEA OMR), meaning Ghawar alone was about 6% of world production. So if Ghawar is in 12% annual decline, as some here argue, that would represent about 600kb/d decline between 2006 and 2007, or a 0.7% decline in world oil production.

For context, the IEA estimates non-OPEC oil supply will increase by 1.1mb/d, or 1.3% in 2007. If TOD suspicions about Ghawar crashing are right, then, that will cut the rate of growth of the oil supply in half, but will not cause the supply to peak (on an all-liquids basis).

So while Ghawar is important to world oil production, its peaking does not mean world peaking. To cause a decline in oil production in 2007 vs. 2006 would require:

  • Ghawar is crashing.
  • Unexpected reductions to oil supply amounting to something that's 30% worse than Ghawar suddenly crashing.
  • KSA is utterly lying about spare capacity.

Is all that possible? Sure. Maybe even probable. Just keep in mind, though, that all that is what "peak in 2007" means. Just looking at Ghawar is not enough, though.

SA is the only country on earth that claims to have signifigant spare capacity.
All of the models that show increasing world oil supply show huge increases in SA's production.

Now Ghawar produces 5 out of SA's 9mbd.

if Ghawar can't grow, or is even declining that means SA can't grow its production to any signifigant degree.
That means the world's production won't grow much beyond 85mbd if at all.

That's the import.

if Ghawar can't grow, or is even declining that means SA can't grow its production to any signifigant degree.
That means the world's production won't grow much beyond 85mbd if at all.

Evidence? Just because you believe something does not make it true.

April's IEA report puts 2007's non-OPEC supply increases at 1.1mb/d, continuing a strong growth trend from the latter half of 2006. They do not appear to be assuming that Ghawar is going to increase production at all, much less account for any substantial fraction of world oil supply growth.

You're making an assumption that Ghawar is much more important than it really is.

The EIA's predictions (which I use because they're free, unlike IEA's) forsee KSA growing to 17.1mb/d by 2030 (unlikely, IMHO, but we're testing their model). If we assume that Ghawar remains 55-60% of KSA production, that would require just under 10mb/d from it, or an increase of 4.5mb/d from its level last year (pre-declines). By contrast, the EIA sees total world oil supply growing to 123.3mb/d, or 38mb/d higher than its current level.

If Ghawar cannot grow, world oil production will grow only 12% more slowly.

If Ghawar declines to zero, world oil production will grow only 26% more slowly.

And that's assuming EIA believes Ghawar will continue to represent the majority of KSA production, which is probably a bad assumption. Nevertheless, even making that assumption shows that Ghawar is not the determiner of when oil peaks - a peak would require near-term and long-term disruptions to expected oil supply of many times the size of what we might get from Ghawar.

Those disruptions might well happen, of course, but fixating obsessively on Ghawar won't tell us much about them.

Those disruptions might well happen, of course, but fixating obsessively on Ghawar won't tell us much about them.

In the face of the coming troubles it must be rather cathartic to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING over which you feel you have some control ... and a mega analysis of Ghawar is an intriguing intellectual technical exercise which might fit the bill here.

Whilst the Ghawar technical "results" are indeed fascinating, they are unprovable until reality arrives to confirm (or refute) them ... and even then, like you PTE, I'm not sure if the state of Gharwar's oil production is key to the global oil situation.

Kaiser,

What you are doing is lieing with statistics.

Two bottom up analysises (Ace and the recent Swedish PHD theisis) show there is no 1.1 mbd growth from non opec.
If you look at the Swedish report you'll see that the difference between the best case and the worst case is almost entirely derived from Ghawar.

I don't have the time to go digging though the reports to quote out the numbers. I'd be a waste of my time anyway.

What you are doing is lieing with statistics.

No - I'm quoting statistics. As in, providing some evidence to back up my claims.

I very much wish other people would do that. Citing evidence to back up one's claims is a great way to check whether those claims are actually right. There's no better way to debunk a claim than to search for evidence to support it and only be able to find evidence undermining it.

Two bottom up analysises (Ace and the recent Swedish PHD theisis) show there is no 1.1 mbd growth from non opec.

Your original claim was:

"All of the models that show increasing world oil supply show huge increases in SA's production.
...
if Ghawar can't grow, or is even declining that means SA can't grow its production to any signifigant degree.
That means the world's production won't grow much beyond 85mbd if at all."

i.e., you strongly implied that Ghawar was the defining factor in whether world oil supply could grow, and that all models recognize this.

Your implication is false, as demonstrated by EIA's model - even their "reference case" has 90+% of oil growth coming from non-Ghawar sources, and their "high price" case - which has KSA contributing less than 10% of world supply growth - has little or no Ghawar-based growth in it.

If you look at the Swedish report you'll see that the difference between the best case and the worst case is almost entirely derived from Ghawar.

And if a Swedish PhD student was the world authority on oil production, that would mean rather more than it does now.

I read his thesis; my first thought was "they give out PhDs for that?" It was a passable summary, but the thesis requirements I'm familiar with put a much stronger emphasis on original research and production of a body of knowledge. It read like a very long term paper, and that's not what a PhD thesis should be.

I don't have the time to go digging though the reports to quote out the numbers. I'd be a waste of my time anyway.

Yet you have the time to post dubious and unsupported claims that 5 minutes reading will tell anyone are nonsense? It's a waste of your time if you don't quote numbers.

That you believe something does not make it true.

Right now, all you're doing is saying things that you believe to be true - faith-based reasoning. The strength of your faith in Ghawar's importance is not convincing, though, in large part because it's misplaced. Check the numbers for yourself - world oil production is so huge that even Ghawar is only a minor player.

The EIA's model assumes that because demand rises, production rises. They don't identify where this extra production comes from cause they can't.

You have seen Aces work. Is it not credible?
And here is the other analysis I refered to
http://publications.uu.se/abstract.xsql?dbid=7625

Let me know if you find a flaw in its reasoning. No faith involved.
You're right, it doesn't have much original research in it. He justs adds up the claimed production for the biggest fields in the world. Pretty simple, pretty tough to screw up. And the only way he gets world production to rise is to get Ghawar to rise.

BTW quoting bogus stats is lying with stats.

To PTE and others - I agree that Ghawar is not everything and there is false logic involved in saying that when Ghawar peaks, Saudi will peak and so the world will peak.

However, Ghawar is the biggest fish in the pond, with lots of published data, providing the opportunity to probe Saudi reporting standards.

At present, it looks like Ghawar has produced a lot of oil (as has Abqaiq) accounting for a significant portion of Saudi production. The more that has been produced from Ghawar and Abqaiq means that they must have produced a lot less else where.

Can Saudi production grow with Ghawar in decline as depicted here? Possibly yes IMO, but probably not a lot and not for long.

I agree that Ghawar is not everything and there is false logic involved in saying that when Ghawar peaks, Saudi will peak and so the world will peak.

What false logic is that?

What false logic is that?

The utter lack of a logical chain from observation to conclusion:

1) (Future?) Observation: Ghawar has peaked.
3) Conclusion: The world has peaked.

To have any kind of logic at all, you'd need something connecting #3 with #1. The one that people appear to be using is:

2) Assumption: Nothing other than Ghawar can significantly increase production.

As I showed, though, that's false, at least according to major short-term production forecasts (IEA/EIA). Considering that the last 20 years of production growth have all been from non-Ghawar sources - including strong non-OPEC growth in the last 6 months - that's a huge assumption. So huge, in fact, that it's a very clear case of the logical fallacy of Begging the Question:

1) (Future?) Observation: Ghawar has peaked.
2) Assumption: The non-Ghawar world has peaked.
3) Conclusion: The world has peaked.

Faulty logic.

Pitt, you are something else.

I don't know who you are arguing with, cause that's not what I said.

And you just go ahead and believe in those EIA numbers. According to them we'll be at 100mbd in 2020. No need to worry at all.

I don't know who you are arguing with, cause that's not what I said.

When did I ever say you had said it?

You asked me to point out the false logic in an argument posed by EM that he didn't attribute to anyone. I pointed out the false logic, as per your request. Now you're getting angry and accusatory.

The reason for your upset is purely your flawed assumption, namely that I was talking about something you'd said. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll find there's nothing to get angry about - it's just a dispassionate analysis of a (flawed) argument.

No anger, just bewilderment.

Why go to the trouble of constucting a straw man when earlier in this thread I laid out my argument?

I wasn't responding to your argument, I was responding to what you asked about what Euan said. Do try and keep up.

(Your "argument" - which appears to consist of "I believe the Swedish guy who didn't test his model at all" - is not so much wrong as a leap of faith. If you want to talk about that, respond to the post of mine that is talking about it.)

If Ghawar is presently in decline, I agree with you that the KSA can probably maintain and perhaps increase production for a while, but only if it can gear up to drill thousands or at least hundreds of additional wells per year.

Notice the conditional. The problem is that the rigs aren't there, and a state owned oil company that deals almost exclusively with mega projects may not be the best at dealing with the smaller stuff. It won't be as easy from this point forward.

Let me know if you find a flaw in its reasoning. No faith involved.

Are you mad?? His model is full of assumptions, most of them poorly analyzed. For example, he asserts that fields will follow a particular exponential decay pattern, but as far as I can tell provides no statistical analysis of how well his model fits previous data.

That one flaw alone means his model is wholly unreliable. Fitting a model and then totally failing to analyze the quality of the fit is, for the key model in a PhD thesis, unforgivable.

Ug - plus he's using 2P as his URR, but appears to have no analysis of how that value changes over time or with price.

Basically, he's come up with a model that's strongly dependent on parameters and jammed in parameters that "felt good" without apparent analysis of their actual quality; consequently, his results are little more than his own opinion.

BTW quoting bogus stats is lying with stats.

And if the stats I was quoting were bogus, you'd have a point.

But I guess smearing your opponent is much easier than providing your own evidence, especially when you don't have any evidence.

The simple fact is this: non-Ghawar growth has been robust for decades, has been robust in recent years, has been robust in the last six months, and is forecast to be robust for the next year. Non-Ghawar growth is far more important than Ghawar growth, or even than Ghawar decline -- the expected case of non-Ghawar growth from the major forecasters is larger than the worst case of Ghawar decline from the near-peakers.

Am I saying they're wrong? No.

What I am saying is their fixation on Ghawar is woefully misguided, and their contention that "as goes Ghawar, so goes the world" is a huge unsupported assumption.

What goes on with Ghawar pales in comparison to what's going on in the rest of the world. If the doomers are right about Ghawar and the EIA/IEA are right about the rest of the world, the doomers lose - oil supply still increases substantially over the year.

I would like to say that all the analysis done on the Oildrum has all the data sources backing it publicly available and more important the logic behind the correlations and cross correlations. I have serious doubts about the competency oil the EIA to do more than collect and collate numbers they have been given.

If you have to question that who you should be questioning since its your tax dollars paying for them to make some pretty dreadful mistakes.

From reading I assure the debates on the oildrum and other peak oil sites are not fringe a LOT of people know what we have done. At any time anyone could step forward with a small amount of transparency and refute our claims. In the case of KSA they could even you data they have already published. This has not happened in the almost two years I've been following peak and in fact has in general not happened to my knowledge since the 70's. If your wish to refute the work done on the Oildrum then I'd say the bar is set pretty high if you can't come provide verifiable original source data then its no longer a valid argument.
The burden of proof is not in our court.

At any time anyone could step forward with a small amount of transparency and refute our claims.

Or confirm them, but that hasn't happened either.

If the situation is as dire as the doomers say, there's plenty of reason for that information to be leaked - millions of lives are on the line. If the situation is as rosy as the cornucopians say, there's no reason for that information to be leaked...other than to appease a tiny internet community.

A probabilistic analysis of the "information leak" argument does not support your views.

The burden of proof is not in our court.

Of course it is.

People here are asserting that Aramco is flat-out lying about its reserves. It's a strong claim, and requires strong evidence.

People here are asserting that the major world energy bodies - IEA and EIA - are either lying or completely incompetent. Strong claims need strong evidence.

People here are asserting that the world's biggest producer (Russia) is about to crash, despite years of steady growth. Strong claim (which keeps being wrong), needs strong evidence. And, no, HL isn't evidence - it's a model that RR showed was substantially unreliable.

People here are asserting that a modest drop in oil supply will lead to billions of deaths and the collapse of civilization, despite the fact that even halving world oil production would leave more per capita than most people live on today.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To say that the burden of proof is on others to refute your claims is utterly laughable.

Before I dig into this, perhaps Euan or Stuart or someone else can contact Epcon, the company that claims they are doing water production work for Saudi Aramco and experiencing water cuts in excess of 90%?

And thanks for the article, Euan! I will wade through this as time allows.

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

"For example, I'm working a lot with Saudi Aramco. Their problem is that they have four or five fields that are more than 50 years old. Process plant is designed for a water-cut of maybe up to 30%, but they have 70% and 90% water-cut in some places.

"If they are not able to handle the water, then they have to reduce oil&gas production. The driver is economic. It's all about money. The environmental benefit is a spin-off."

Local water cuts of 90% don't surprise me in light of the state of the N Ghawar reservoirs. The quote from Epcon says it all. If they are unable to increase their water treatment / handling facilities then oil production will fall.

GeyZone;

Even Epcons CPU's have limits, like I said before, stoke's Law in physics rules. This is where the bottleneck will form in the future due to series parallel configuring in water treatment plants (GOSPs & Gathering Centers [GCs]. it is very difficult to remove oil droplets that measure less than 30um in diameter.

Regards
OCB

Thanks for the info! But I was more interested if any of the TOD modelers might contact Epcon to get some idea of the scope of high water cut production. How bad (or good) is the current situation?

We have lots of circumstantial information that I personally trust as a good ballpark estimate but Epcon has hands on experience with the Aramco situation. They are probably bound by NDAs but it can't hurt to ask.

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

Euan,

Wicked work!

You, Stuart and Fractional_Flow, not to mention others, have raised the bar on KSA analysis.

Excellent work! Can't wait to see Stuart's model as well.

Yes, as these assessments all show, Saudi Aramco is extremely talented at managing their fields! They are extracting every last drop they can from them. My hat is off to the engineers and geologists who do this work.

But as you note the political statements often don't seem to map to the truth of what is going on.

Euan, if I may be so bold as to summarize what you are saying (and please correct me if I am wrong):

1. Northern Ghawar has either begun or is about to begin a terminal decline.

2. The rest of Ghawar still has a large amount of producible oil.

3. Due to geologic differences from north to south Ghawar, the flow rates are likely to be lower but steadier for a long time for the remaining oil.

4. KSA is likely to remain a significant producer of oil for decades to come, just at lower rates than today.

5. Unless KSA can bring online massive new capacity, their role as "swing producer" is probably over no later than 2018 (the eventual demise of northern Ghawar) and quite possibly sooner.

Am I reading you correctly?

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

GreyZone - that's pretty much spot on how I see things at the moment. I think the concept of swing production will die long before 2018 if demand continues to rise and OPEC learns that their reserved capacity is insignicant compared with the un-met demand.

WRT to your point 5, I still suspect that KSA will manage to raise their game over the next few years if they are able to bring on new projects before serious decline in N Ghawar sets in. Stuart is doing more detailed work than I on the remaining reserves in Ain Dar and Uthmaniyah and if he provides convincing eveidence that these areas are more depelted than I have presumed then it is possible that new projects will only offset declines in Ghawar. I have a lingering concern about the vintage of the data used in the Linux satuartion map.

I guess we will see if they can "swing" very soon. 63 days +/- a month. (more likely minus).

So, if we think this is voluntary to rest fields, will they swing this summer or not? They have to soon, or 'The long emergency' begins a few months ahead of schedule.

If we are drawing down 1MMBPD of inventory, and that is after the first wave of demand destruction(Africa), and they continue to cut back(voluntarily?) that will put us at around 2MMBPD down by the end of the year.

Micheal Lynch better hope 'demand growth' can go negative soon.

We are staring at this crisis - and counting days.

Sigh...I raise my glass to Saudi engineers for good work, and say a small prayer that they will ramp this summer.

There may be plenty of oil in the southern Ghawar fields, but as I recall from all the discussions, this oil is not as light/sweet as northern Ghawar.

If the worldwide refineries are receiving this lesser quality crude and they cannot handle it without upgrading their systems, we have a bottleneck in getting finished product to the consumers.

Thus, our crude inventories go up and our gasoline inventories go down...the EIA weekly reports and the unusual refinery problems the US is experiencing start making sense in this light.

That is correct. Southern Ghawar will both flow at a lower rate and produce heavier and more sour oil than northern Ghawar.

This is only a temporary problem though, as refineries can be retooled. If all we had to worry about was a switch from sweet light crude to heavy sour, that would be doable. The greater problem is that, precisely when the OECD experts like CERA expect OPEC to drastically ratchet up production (by nearly 10-15 mbpd over the next 15 years or so) we are seeing OPEC decline almost across the board.

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

The drop in asphalt prices with high gasoline prices and the numerous issues with refineries we are seeing indicate that a heavier grade of crude is being processed now without the refinery upgrades completed to handle it. This year it looks like we are having almost a crisis in the availability of light sweet crudes or more crudes that American refiners are optimized for. The drop in Mexican heavy may be the biggest factor. I know that refineries designed for light have low yields with heavy crudes but I don't know the impacts of changes in heave/sour crude has on refineries that can handle them I'd have to assume optimizations happen here also. So running heavy KSA crude through a refinery designed for Mexican probably lowers the yield same with the Venezuelan optimized refineries.

Asphalt prices.

http://www.acaf.org/Apr%2007.pdf

Once the refineries are upgraded we can expect that the amount of asphalt available will again drop and continue to drop until the price is very high. The tar sands are asphalt for example so upgrading of heavier crudes will eventually drop asphalt production quite a bit but raise gasoline production.

In thse short term I think refining issues are giving us a "pre-peak" peak and so far I'm not impressed with the response my prediction that above ground factors will predominate the actual production levels because of feedback problems seems to be holding up well.

I am not sure but i got the feeling that this http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2331 and haradh 3 could have something to do with the heavy grades, but are the amount large enough and is it exported to US and is the timing correct? I also suspect that it is quite possible that they send some of this http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=atacTjyPVm0A&refer=e... heavy oil somewhere else.

Hmm that seems to fit with heavier grades going not only to the US but Europe too. Notice the focus of the press release was on cutting heavy shipments to Asia and sending the volume and amounts to the EU and presumably the US but this means its probably heavy oil. A guess is that KSA may have strong armed a few people into paying a premium for heavy oil or you got no oil. Reading between the lines that seems to be whats going on. People are being forced to either take a cut or buy heavy at a premium price. I think it will be good to watch Asphalt prices as the summer moves along if true they will stay suppressed for some time.

So the real story here is that KSA may be forcing the heavy/sour gap to close right now. If its because of a decline in Ghawar then its because thats all they really have.

Who can give us a ballpark figure for time and cost to upgrade a refinery to work on the heavier crude supplies?

I'm just curious.

And who can tell us how many of the US refineries are going through upgrades? Surely, there is information out there? Where's Bob Shaw when you need him? He can find anything.

Like most things, it depends on how bad the crude is. For heavy and sour you have to add a catalytic cracker, a hydrocracker, and probably a coker. It can easily double the required equipment for a refinery and thereby the investment in the worst case. You also need a source of hydrogen, which now means you must build a natural gas reformer, since hydrogen is in short supply.

I forgot the most obvious the correlation between haradh 3 and the price of asphalt, but the correlation is in the wrong direction! I must have posted the comment to late at night.

Wow.

Figure 16 is a graphic "That will live in infamy".

I'd copyright it if I were you. (I already have mine) :}

FF

FF,

Taking all of the excellent work that you, Euan, Ace and Stuart, et al, have done, IMO, it seems to support the HL URR estimates of 150 Gb to 186 Gb for Saudi Arabia (without and with the "dogleg up" respectively).

Would you agree?

The remaining recoverable reserves would be 37 Gb (75% depleted) to 73 Gb (60% depleted). Ace's estimate is basically in between the two estimates at about 52 Gb remaining (70% depleted).

BTW, aren't the bulk of the remaining recoverable reserves in the Ghawar complex in the lower permeability portion of the complex?

WT-

Regarding KSA total reserves... I make no comment regarding things I know little of... and that would be the remainder of SA. I don't believe or not believe in peak oil- what I believe in is analysis.

Along those lines the problem I have with Hawiyah is summarized in this figure which comes on cue and was presented on March 12, 2007.

From SPE 105114 "Fifty Years of Wettability Measurements in the Arab - D Carbonate Reservoirs"

The typical relative permeability curve for Hawiyah from a composite analysis on the "numerous waterflood tests" conducted on the Arab D cores is a tough one to explain away.

FF

If I understand this, permeability relative to oil practically disappears as the water saturation goes from about 42% to 50%?

Yes

And the initial oil saturation is 57% rather than the 89% quoted in previous works. Greg Croft etal

A message from inside??

Bunyon???

Hi F_F. Puzzled already. Where do you get iniitial oil saturation at 57% for Hawiyah?

I am ready for my next lesson......

So, the production rate on the southern portion of the field will be vastly lower than in the northern portion.

The north end is watering out.

Therefore, overall Ghawar production is crashing.

As several people have noted, the north end produces light/sweet crude oil. IMO, one reason that some refineries worldwide are not running at full capacity is that they can't get all of the light/sweet crude that they need.

The North Sea, another big light/sweet supplier, is in terminal decline.

FF - as you know I don't know so much about reservoir engineering. I know enough, however, to know that Swi of 40% or there abouts is virtually impossible with an oil column of 1300 or so feet.

Croft's Swi numbers of 11% everywhere need to be taken with a pinch of salt - the varying reservoir quality across the field would dictate that Swi will also vary. This worries me a little bit, cos we are using all his other numbers as God's honest truth. Though SS tells me that he heard on the streets of LA that Croft's numbers are pretty cool.

My main question - how on Earth do we get such a high Swi in a field with such a gignatic column? Breached structure?

That's not Croft's number though is it? Isn't FF pulling the 40% type number direct from Aramco literature? That would make the situation even more confusing. And I am struggling to keep up with you folks as it is. ;)

Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett

Euan-

Great question.

But when (at what minimum saturation) the capillary pressure curve for a rock goes asymptotic, it goes asymptotic.

The relative perms are generated by re-saturating that core with oil to mimic the drainage (oil fillage) process. Higher and higher pressures necessary to drive the water out.

Would the buoyancy force be 73 psi or thereabouts (difference between water and oil over 1300')???

You get to Swc (connate water) and it goes vertical.

What kinda reservoir rock would cause this- a pretty poor one in my estimation.

PS -love the street in LA line. But the "Streets of San Fransisco" would have been classic

FF

If it's a water-oil emulsion the hydrostatic head will be much less than for two phases.

on the face of it i think this kro/krw curve is suspect. is this a chalk reservoir? you are familiar with cretaceous chalks in the north sea arent you ?

Elwood-

You shock me!!!

At first you don't like reservoir simulation and now you don't like core data.

You have to read the paper and I don't have it with me (traveling) but here is the gist....

"Numerous waterflood core studies have been conducted.... use composites of 3 or 4 core plugs for each study.... each area has 3 composites and the curves you see are "typical".""

Now, you have 3 aramco lab employees who can write an SPE paper- probably 3 phd's. If they went to Stanford, they carry around a 500 page spiral notebook and never write anything in it in pencil if you get my drift- blue ink only.

Now, they are intrigued enough about the wettability which requires some really mundane stuff like measuring contact angle etc etc described in this paper. But, they probably know that the real money of what they do are the relative perm curves that go into the multi-million dollar simulator that many self gratify over.... now the money of the money of what goes into the simulator is the endpoints.

So you have 3 persons (a conspiracy) who must first pick typical core plugs for an area, then run 3-4 of these plugs for 3 sets, then sit down and agree on how to average these into "typical" curves. It just so happens that curves for 2 of these areas pretty well match what has been reported before. One area is way off.

So disregard the curve if you wish.

I don't know why though it is considered less reliable than anything else we've seen... it seems more to me.

Perhaps Aramco insiders have studied Twilight and are answering questions.

FF

I say chalk (which may be microcrystalline dolomite) or sucrosic dolomite

FF

ff, and another thing you........you...... kro slope surfing ....... well you get the idea. anyhow, do you have access to the spe papers on burgan, that might be a better place to look for declining production that saudi arabia. just a thought.

ff,i think you missunderstood what i said. what i said was something to the effect: "that if you know the results of the model before you run it, arent you wasting your time" ?(i assume that is what your are refering to).

actually, modelling is very usefull. but the modelling studies i have done are limited to x-sections, small areal models and radial models for well test analysis. i have never been involved in any large scale supercomputer "committee" modelling.

i do know enough about modelling, however to take each run with a grain of salt. and i agree with you that sometimes a modelling study is conducted to validate an otherwise bogus point of view.

and thank you for your response.

F_F strikes again.

For the uninitiated (i.e. me), what does the chart show us? What are Kro and Krw (oil and water obviously, but what does Kr mean?)?

Bunyon-

Absolute permeability is measured to a single phase flowing.

Could be air, water or oil.

Relative permeability is the fraction of that permeability granted each phase (oil, water or gas) as a function of saturation.

Effective permeability is the absolute permeability multiplied by the relative permeability.

So, a 100 md absolute permeability is fine in Hawiyah. But as Jeffrey astutely observed that is less than a 10 md effective permeability to oil when the water saturation increases just 7%.

Renders it nearly unfloodable by water.

Renders it nearly unfloodable by water.... I am sure that is right, but I have no idea how you get there.

Chart suggests that intial water saturation is about 42% (Greg Croft has 11%, but he had that across the whole of Ghawar, so looks like it was a "fudge" number).

I see that as Sw rises, the relative permeabilities of water and oil respectively rise and fall exponentially. However the two relative permeability curves cross at about 10% with Sw at 50%. At that point, the remaining 80% relative permeabiity is attributable to what? Air, natural gas?

After that point the Kro declines slowly, whil Krw increases rapidly. This suggests to me that water is able to circulate far more easily than oil at that point. This presumably has a major impact on water cut.

Therefore, logically does that mean it is too easily floodable, rather than unfloodable. Just that the water flood front would mix with rather than push the oil at Sw above 50%?

Ok, I have initial oil saturation (So) at 53% if Sw is 42%, with Sg 5% (Greg Croft has Gas-Oil ratio for Hawiyah at 485 SCF/bbl)

This is a HUGE difference to other parts of Ghawar and would lead even the uninitiated (i.e. me) to assume that water flows more freely in Hawiyah than ion the other Ghawar fields.

If Bob Shaw is on the site, I am sure he could fill in i