'There is no overarching geopolitical plan' - I am not sure about that, but there is no question about the second half 'but a lot of political infighting and short term asset-grabbing strategies.'

We tend to leave China out of these discussions, which makes sense. But I remain quite convinced that the Russians will do their best to ensure that China remains a weak competitor - after all, Siberia is essentially the last major empty inhabitable area on Earth, and the two countries share a 3605 km (4,380 km/2,738 mi during Soviet times) border along it. Siberia is 'a territory larger than that of China. Less that 16 million people live in Eastern Siberia and the Russian Far East. By contrast, over 1.3 billion people live in China.' http://www.hooverassociation.org/americanroadrussian.htm - not a great link, but adequate.

During the Cold War, that 2/3 of the Soviet Union's military was positioned against China is something I remember reading and being astounded about in the 1980s. And of course, China and the Soviet Union did actually have a not so minor border conflict in 1969 (if potential nuclear escalation is a definition of not so minor).

The Russians have more on their minds than merely dealing with the West. The emptiness of Siberia along with the crowding in China is a source of long term tension which is unlikely to go away. From the link -

'A March 2001 interview with Sergei Karaganov, Chairman of the Foreign and Defense Policy Council, a prominent Russian think tank with ties to the Russian government, illustrates this:

Question: “What should Russia’s attitude be toward NATO eastward expansion?”
Karaganov: “We should oppose it. Of course, we could spend tremendous effort and resources on fighting this ‘Evil,’ but it is the same as trying to restrict population growth
in China from the outside. By the way, the latter is potentially more dangerous for Russia.”

Russian historians are well aware of China’s history of encouraging the migration of ethnic Han Chinese to populate and solidify Chinese control of areas such as Inner Mongolia, Tibet, and Xinjiang. Therefore, Russians worry not only about outright war over its regions, but also about the slow migration of Chinese across their common border. Thus the legal and illegal presence of ethnic Chinese in Siberia and the Far East is viewed in Russia as a serious problem.'

The Russians have their own problems, which the West easily overlooks. Preventing a hundred million Chinese from simply walking into Siberia over the next generation or two is part of the geopolitical concerns involved with Russian energy policy, which has nothing to do with free market principles, or contractual obligations.

expat...as always, I value your views.

Re Russia-China border...Not to be omitted for perspective, is that Russia unilalerally "annexed" a large part of "Siberia" that Chinese have not forgotten; namely, north and east of the Amur River, for example, by Muravioff [sp?] in 1800's. Simply a land/resource grab "because we can" and conveniently adopted by cartographers. Chinese do have a memory of history and their exploitation by acquisitive foreigners. In turn, there is Russian sensitivity to their own past being "projected" onto China.

I would love to discuss world political possibilities with you guys - does anyone have a risk board ready?

To think about:
Russian population is shrinking and (like much of the rest of the developed world) getting old. Right now there are about 145million. 2025: 128mil. Up to that time, the Chinese population will continue to grow, although the crest (or should I say peak?) will have been met around 2030 at about 1.5 billion. Birthrate has been very negative for a good while.

I've seen documentaries that many Chinese have already made the jump into Russian territory, turning the borderlands into a defacto Chinese province. China will hardly need to annex territory resulting from the excess population.

In order to secure RESOURCES on the other hand..

I'm sure you guys have read Clancy, right?, where the US and internet save the world (Russia's) butt from the expansion plans of a rotting Chinese political system. Don't think it'll happen, but I wouldn't doubt that there will be "tensions" once Russia becomes one of the last bastians where resources are to be had..

Now, if you were Russia, would you court a politically fractioned Europe or the Dragon to the South?

Cheers, Dom

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