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This was a thoughtful essay Jerome A Paris - with a lot of clear-thinking – AND it leads me STRAIGTH AHEAD ONE MORE TIME TO THINKING of the ideas of the CARTER-Doctrine … and its implications.
( you never took the reasoning - all the way ... sort of - BUT what you came with made me a much more enligthened person - thx))
The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by Jimmy Carter in 1980 – as some sort of ‘blurred’ responses to USSR into Afghanistan and also as a hint for the oil producing countries spawning the oil embargo in the 70’s ….
…. roughly stating that
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"The US will go to war overseas - if "our" energy supply ever is threatened" –
And then we have Dick Cheney – “American way of life is not negotiable…. “
(Wwwooow – though guys)
….I personally wonder what I would have felt if my government ever came out with something like this...... not well, I guess ..
(I live outside EU, but part of Schengen …. and EFTA though)
DOES EU have something like this doctrine?
Question:
Is it ever possible to morally defend such thing as this doctrine?
IF so how?? What would the arguments be?
MY STANCE and THINKING GOES LIKE THIS -
A country is defined as a sovereign area on the surface of this planet - some borderlines are disputed though. And these countries are run by "some sort of rulers" - democratically voted for or grabbed by some kind of dictators.
And normally it is assessed that the people within this boundary are 'responsible' for whatever is happening here and the way forward / changes and so forth - ref American Civil war, French revolution, composition of India, Pakistan and later Bangladesh ......bla
Whatever is taking place within these countries are normally considered "internal affairs or domestic issues"... not for anyone outside to "dig their noses into”. Although this has changed some after the congregation of UN.
I see the 1st Gulf War as an action taken - in the name of The Carter Doctrine , and for anyone knowing the history of this region you know the lines on the map where drawn by the winners of WW1. And Saddam is definitely correct in assuming that Kuwait is "a virtual place" due to the Burgan-oilfield......
As petroleum is assessed THE COMMODITY of this planet - and 'everybody' depend on this for prosperity and growth AND we all know it is "gone by the wind in few decades" ..
NOW - to my SECOND point...
-and assuming the CARTER-Doctrine is still around
IF within a few years there comes to INTERNAL UPRISING WITHIN KSA (say civil war) - and the daily Saudi-oil-export was cut off - due to these events...
And by looking closely at the reasons for this uprising - most people (even in the US) would say ' my heart is with the insurgents' - their cause is legitimate.... that Saudi-kingdom has to GO!
EVENTUALLY - would it still be OK to act by the Carter-doctrine, BECAUSE your American way of life is challenged ?
WHAT is stronger - "AM way of life" OR "your inner morality”??
The american public is not happy with Bush. I think we are well aware on a broad public view of energy problems. The comments I hear are that $ spent on the war in Iraq could have been better spent on domestic energy conservation measures, so we wouldn't have to get involved in the ME.
Most people are very unhappy that Bush has alienated alot of the other countries. It is painfully obvious that to Bush oil exporters are "terrorist" if they don't sell the US oil cheaply. Most people are amazed that he could do so much damage in such a short period of time. We are currently waiting for him to get out of office, I don't see him getting impeached (it takes to long).
I think there is a ground swell by the general population toward greater energy efficiency and dealing with global warming on an individual and regional basis.
I don't believe the general US population realizes the severity to which declining oil/gas supplies will impact the US or the rest of the world. We want greater efficiency but still want our car driven way of life which obviously isn't going to be a long term option.
We have had too many "cry wolf' shortages for the population to respond to any messages of PO. Many people have tried to warn us since 1972 and look where we are today.
It is interesting to read the views of your side of the pond. I kept thinking somehow it would be easier for you with more rail for transportation of people, but heat(home) and industrial use(jobs) looks like problems for you too.
My wife who ussually gets things most accurate thinks a global disease pandemic is the most likely outcome of the decline of fossil fuels, because of weakened population from a lack of food and wars.
We face a very uncompromising future as the lion story above explains very simply.
I wish you guys the best,
D
In the case of homogeneous demographics and relative social fairness where a common point of interest can be found, I'm sorry to say that almost everyone would go for "way of life".