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I've just been reading up on what Thailand is doing in response to roughly doubling of it's energy import costs -have a look:
http://www.boi.go.th/english/why/Alternative_Energy.pdf
Rather than whinging on that exporting nations should 'give them more' they create home grown solutions. If this is the sort of forward thinking we can expect when the market signals 'tougher times ahead' via higher prices I say bring it on and ASAP.
I've just written an email to www.nanosolar.com -it would be great to see them set up a manufacturing plant in Thailand (as well as US and Germany) to supply the Asian Market and they would get bargain tax breaks to boot...
Nick.
This is a terrific link, and another reason why the world can transition past Peak Demand, if oil stays above $60 a barrel. Especially note the section on biogas.
In 10 years, worldwide, the majority of farms will be using waste for energy (if oil stays up). Animal dung is big. Jatropha farms will be huge (especially if selective breeding increases yields).
Add new biofuels to plug-in hybrids, and what you see the world past Peak Demand. OPEC leaders recently have been wondering who can they sell their oil to in 10 years. Wonder well they should.
No discussion of fossil crude is complete without recognizing the role of price on demand. It is not inelastic. The role of price on supply is delayed for a decade, but on demand maybe five years or less.
There are real, perhaps intractable problems in the world, usually involving human behavior. How does one end wars, or solve the urban crime problem? These are problems.
Technical problems almost always get solved, even one where there are constraints. But energy is a fun one, as the solutions are so diverse. Any new source of supply, or any form of conservation, is part of the solution.
Cars can not only be lighter, they can be hybrids or plug-ins. They can run of bio-diesel, or ethanol. Animal dung need no longer be released into the air as methane, if can be turned into energy.
The Indians will be driving Tatas by the hundreds of thousands - but what if they are plug-ins, and India builds nukes? And India moves to a 20 percent biomix diesel (as they plan to)? Then what happens to fossil crude demand?
Yeah then what happens? Can you makesome calculations, like what would the surface needed be to grow that? What's the energy input needed to get energy out of pig dung (inlcuding the produciton of the hardware installation)? Like what amounts of liquid fuels that will be produced?
Like how many, and how fast there will be cars (say hybrids) that influence the MPG at what time? How fast in your model does the MPG increase over time? How does recession/increased growth play out the next 10-20 years?
You are full of optimism, thats good, but will your solutions come fast enough, in large enough style?
Get us some proposals with figures and timelines and realism before you post next time, dude.
Go for it!! Cheers.
There are massive shortages of electricity in India. Outside of Bombay - now known as Mumbai - there is not a single city in India that gets electricity for 24 hours a day. In most cities (including the capital New Delhi), there is "load-shedding" of 2 to 6 hours a day. In villages that are connected to the grid, power may be available for only 6 to 8 hours a day. So there is no way the Indian grid can handle a significant number of electric vehicles.
Secondly, the Tatas make cheap cars. Plug-ins will be too expensive for most Indian car-owning households.
If India were to build all the nuclear power plants that they are planning to build, the percentage of electricity generated from nuclear energy will increase from 3% to 5%.
As far as Jatropha based bio-diesel is concerned, it remains a promise, not an accomplished fact.
Economists (much reviled on these pages) would tell you the mechanism that allows the market to sort everything out is the price signal. High prices will supposedly spur new investment and all will be well.
Of course many here would deride that opinion because you can't pump what isn't there, no matter how much you invest.
But that doesn't mean that high prices won't stimulate any positive developments. For one thing, high prices will stimulate the introduction of more fuel efficient cars. And if they are high enough for long enough the result will be a more fuel efficent fleet.
Of course some on these pages (if they notice my post at all) will complain that this can't possibly happen fast enough to make a difference, so it is irrelevent, and we should just start breeding horses now.
But come on. Maybe $60 oil won't result in the rapid introduction of lightweight plug-in serial hybrids. But how about $100 oil. Or $200 oil. Or $300? If you believe that we are post-peak and about to experience a rapid decline, then you must by definition believe that we will soon see shockingly high prices. In which case it logically follows that will be a shockingly fast move to improve fuel economy.
Alternatively, if you think prices will not go up dramatically any time soon, doesn't that imply that we do still have time to make significant improvements in efficiency?
The implication, to my way of thinking, is that the sooner prices go up, the better - it will spur the efficiency gains we so badly need to work on. And the less the national oil companies invest in infrastructure, the sooner high prices arrive.
So the biggest favour Russia and Venezuela can do for the world is to put all capacity and maintenance programs on the back burner and "go slow" with their production, in order to spur changes amongst their consumers. A little pain now is better than trauma later down the road.
If we are to believe in things we cannot see or touch, how do we tell the true belief from the false belief?
The bigger the threat, the bigger the response.
It's as easy to extrapolate an exponential decline far enough into the future to see 'The end of civilisation' as it is to extrapolate an exponential increase and get to 'Death Star sized space structures'. Doesn't mean either will happen.
Digression: Most people think the 2nd world war started in 1939 but the really big fighting didn't get going till mid 1941. Stalin packed up and moved a good chunk of Russias Manufacturing capacity in Response to Barborossa. Germany didn't even declare Total War till Feb. 1943. Just look back at what was achieved in terms of output during wartime and you realize that humans can move mountains if needed. This is something that the 'Nintendo Generation' mostly don't have a clue about but I can't see them sitting back and crying into their last can of diet coke as the lights gradually go out on planet earth...
Nick.
Regarding WWII - actually probably started earlier than that. Same as Vietnam. Most think it started in '63 or thereabouts. I was there in '59. Getting shot at, and shooting back. And not as a "civilian".
Determining the start and finish of any war is very difficult. Imo, they just move to different arena's with short little breaks in between that we call "peace".