Hello JeffVail,

Thxs for the keypost! My theory on how to minimize violence on natural mineral & FF resources:

1. Full Peakoil Outreach so the people understand the Thermo/Gene Collision. Basically, convert overly reproductive detritovores into very limited reproduction of biosolars [See Malthus, Asimov essays].

2. Oil revenue [detritus] is only sent back as biosolar goods. Bicycles, wheelbarrows, spiderwebriding railbikes, solar hotwater systems, PVs, windturbines, etc, etc. Thus, the relocalized permaculture lifestyle needs miniscule amounts of FFs for maintenance and repair. If an African gets his electricity for free from PVs-- they are disincentivized to attack detritus infrastructure; he/she does not need the FFs.

3. If #1,2 followed: Earthmarines naturally arise to protect sustainable living and conserve habitat at all costs; no moral qualms at killing someone who is acting in an unsustainable manner by having more than one child, or polluting, or looting, or by acting violent. This insures the gradual enlargement into a large, contiguous biosolar habitat by the sequential inclusion of smaller, but ever growing larger biohabitats.

4. If #3 followed: Ideal goal is to reach the point where a whole watershed or larger region [continent?] can be sustainably managed by Asimov's Foundation supercomputer concepts of predictive collapse and directed decline because the FFs and other minerals will eventually deplete. The derived logistics driven by full data processing of accumulated detritus-biosolar feedbacks and blowbacks to optimize Dieoff bottleneck squeeze.

5. First World Blackwater Mercs for outward protection, Earthmarines for inward protection. Mercs insure that no invasion occurs to thwart or decimate biosolar transition: this allows Earthmarines to concentrate on maximal biosolar transition thus promoting maximal ecohabitat optimality of extant bioforms; drastic reduction in extinction rates, etc.

6. If #5 followed: African catabolic collapse averted by this Foundation time-compression program; continental biosolar optimality achieved by ideal matching of human #'s to other species #'s. In short: maximum civilizational knowledge retention plus new biosolar knowledge inclusion with more than enough natural resources to prevent future violence. The much lower human pop. #'s and sustainable birthrate insures that there will be no fighting because there will be plenty of carrots, bananas, etc to go around.

Likelihood of this happening-- probably zip-- but one can always hope.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

Bob, you really need to write this all into a book.

Hello Greenman,

I prefer the world gets it free, then improves upon these concepts even further. As some other person said: "It will take all of us working all the time, but isn't that the point."

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

Bob-

I certainly agree with you in the big picture: 1) I firmly believe that a positive, cooperative "solution" to the societal problems that Peak Oil will bring is theoretically possible, and 2) I think that the probability of such a cooperative solution happening on anything above the local level quickly reaches zero...