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Sorry to be a curmudgeon but I can't myself rejoice in the decision to have Jeff Vail on staff. If one checks his bio, he seems rather unapologetically to have involved himself quite a bit in the current administrations illegal war on Iraq. I quote from his bio http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffvail
"Planned over 210 successful combat mission while deployed to Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. Awarded Air Force Commendation Medal three times for combat leadership.
Led teams of up to 23 Intelligence Analysts, analyzed and targeted Iraqi infrastructure, briefed senior leadership, including US Air Force Chief of Staff."
I'd like to hear Mr. Vail's views on whether he believes we're in Iraq for their oil or, if not, why he thinks we are there.
Hi Devon. Although Mr. Vail has been quite involved in the Iraq war, as have many military officers, I am not sure that you can draw the conclusion that he has done so "unapologetically." And although I was never in favor of the invasion of Iraq, the "illegality" of the war is far from established. In any event, I believe it is his current position in the Dept of the Interior that makes Mr. Vail an interesting addition to the contributors list. He should have some very interesting insight into the state of energy in the US and the world. Whether he can tell us everything is another question. Hopefully he can be very candid. FYI, I was also a military intelligence analyst many moons ago [not energy related unfortunately].
Hi GL,
Thanks for your comment. One thing I'm interested in, if it doesn't detract from gratitude toward the editors and contributors here (of course)...
re: "...the "illegality" of the war is far from established."
I'm curious about your opinion on the following: What would be required, one way or the other, to establish the "illegality"? (Or, legality, for that matter?)
The war is entirely illegal. No UN Security Council authorization. The vast majority of the worlds *population* was and is against it.
As Richard Posner has made a strong case for, laws are not writ in stone by gods. Laws are simply made by people, and for them to work people must agree on them. The world is in agreement. The Iraq was is illegal.
[edit] Let me add a caveat to that... By US law the war is certainly not "illegal", since it was authorized by the CONgress. So, as usual, terms like "illegal" come down to petty semantics. What really matters here is not that the war is illegal, but that it is a catastrophe. Whatever window dressing you put on it... Hell, even Bush, I believe, said it is "a successful catastrophe" or something along those absurd lines.
Hi Aniya. I suppose I overstated it by saying the illegality of the war is far from established. What I meant, is that there has been no final adjudication of its legality. As far as I am concerned, however, the war in Iraq violates international law, whether or not the US Congress approved it. I don't think that its "legality" can be "established" however absent a trial and adjudication by a sanctioned international court. That may not ever happen. Although I am a lawyer, I am not an expert in international law and I just do not have the time to do the exhaustive research to give citations. :)
Hi GLT149 - I've scoured his bio and can't find an apology, only a resume loaded with references to his "targeting" expertise. I agree that his position at Interior can provide insight and I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be on staff, only that the exploration of energy issues, of which TOD is providing admirable leadership and quality analysis, should never lose site of the sobering and tragic human suffering caused by our involvement in this war, a war thats very clearly about control of the last remaining oil reserves. 655,000 innocent Iraquis have died since the beginning of our latest involvement, which brings the total to well over a million since Bush One's foray. I normally appreciate how TOD sticks to the energy facts, but I believe it's time we all pull together to end this thing and this community has a lot to say about why we might concievably be there in the first place. As far as the legality vs, illegality of the war. I know the U.S doesn't recognize International law anymore but the Nuremberg judgement spelled it out pretty clearly. Agressive wars are illegal. This is an aggressive war.
"The Nuremberg judgment, encoded into international law, is sharp and clear. Aggression is the 'supreme international crime,' differing from others in that it encompasses all the evil that follows; all the evil. The US-UK invasion of Iraq is a textbook example of aggression, as defined by US Justice Robert Jackson in opening the Tribunal, also encoded into international law. Justice Jackson's final words were also sharp and clear. We are handing those convicted at Nuremberg a "poisoned chalice," and if we sip from it, we must be judged by the same principles, or else the proceedings are no more than farce. One prime responsibility of an aggressor is to hold the perpetrators accountable. If state power is unwilling to meet this responsibility, it falls to others to do so: to the citizens of the country carrying out the crimes, more than any others."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
For those interested, I'd also check out the status of the Lt. Ehren Watada trial
http://thankyoult.live.radicaldesigns.org/content/view/206/
Seems as if the government doesn't want his defence to be able to argue legality at all. I wonder what they're afraid of.
I think your concern is understandable. However, I would suggest that *if* I have an ideological slant with which you strongly disagree, does that make my analysis any less valuable provided that I am up front about myself and any agenda that I may have? I have tried to be transparent about my name, my past, and my views (see my blog, http://www.jeffvail.net/ for nearly 4 years of writings on topics like our involvement in Iraq).
I'm not sure, however, that you've correctly identified my bias or agenda (we all have one at some level). You might want to start by taking a look at my book, "A Theory of Power," which was positively reviewed by Noam Chomsky, John Zerzan, and Daniel Quinn. You can read it free at my site.
Other than that (and I hope I don't sound defensive--not my intent, and I'm sorry if so), thank you to everyone for the warm welcome!
Mr. Vail - Thanks for that reply. I certainly will take a look at your book. And I'm sorry if I got the bias / agenda wrong. I'll check it out. I will also give you a warm welcome because its especially valuable to be able to discuss these issues with the broadest possible grouping of opinion. I did check out some of your writing and found it very thoughtful. I just want to make the point that the human suffering in Iraq is something not often brought up on this site, and I think its important to remember that dimension, and come to some understanding of all of our complicity and the connection to our level of consumption. I'll look forward to your articles and the chance to respond.
Hi Devon. I want to thank you for your comments and the discussion that followed. It's been beneficial on more than one level. I think we can all agree that the Iraq war has been and is complex and a disaster that has touched the lives of millions and destroyed the lives of too many.
I am an ardent opponent of the war and of the empire that wages it. I am not an opponent of the nation in which the empire is based any more than those who opposed Hitler were (necessarily) anti-German. However, I have close friends who very much disagree with me on all this. Moreover, I respect their opinion on various other issues no matter how strongly we might disagree on the empire project.
Likewise, the TOD is not an anti-war or anti-empire site even though there might be a lot of that kind of sentiment here. There is no reason to exclude someone for their views on the Iraq war if they can bring something to the party on the issue that is central to TOD. People with expertise, or just interest in PO, range all over the political map. That has to be reflected in TOD.
Mr. Vail,
Would you mind giving me a source for the Noam Chomsky review.
I followed your link :
positively reviewed by Noam Chomsky, John Zerzan, and Daniel Quinn.
And found the lonely and solitary word "Fascinating", I am sure Mr. Chomsky said more? I would like to see what context this positive review of "fascinating" was used.
As well on a quick scan of the positive review:
on that quick reading, I would get the idea that this fascinating book was written by "arguably the most important intellectual alive"
I would think that this sort of self promotion a reason to be wary of your opinions.
Crystal-,
I'm sorry if the wording was misleading--the "arguably most importany intellectual alive" is the NY Times describing Chomsky, certainly not me!
For what it's worth, I found the wording abundantly clear.
Hi Pitt,
Abundantly clear would read:
--Noam Chomsky, author of Hegemony or Survival, who is described by the New York Times as "arguably the most important intellectual alive." (sloppy writing by the publisher or ?, anyway not of all that much importance I would agree).
I notice that my prime question, or request, for access to, the full review by Noam has not been addressed.
I have had only a slight chance to look at Mr. Vail's book (took a look at chapter 5 on but what I have read so far I find interesting in its variance with my thoughts in this area. A book which I have been reading lately might be of use to Mr. Vail:
Plant Technology of the First Peoples in British Columbia, Royal British Columbia Museum Handbook, by Nancy J. Turner.,1947-. UBC press Vancouver
About Mr. Vail's views and involvement in the war in Iraq I would expect more transparency here in the form of a direct statement. I have a hard time with agreeing to any censorship other than that which involves children, and do not wish at all to muzzle Mr. Vail and even *if* his views and aims were to prove morally or ethically reprehensible. I would still accept him as a commenter, in that case, but I do not think being 'elevated' to a position of authority would be appropriate. This is merely my view and nothing to get too excited about. I hope we can have reasonable discussion here.
you want the guy to roll around in cow-dung and then self-flagellate himself or something? come on now.
What is the 'or something'? I usually like your posts, Chimp, and this one was no exception.
Please don't jump to conclusions about Vail's participation in our organized violence in Iraq. Note that the USAF only got 5 years' return on their AF academy investment and that he got out in June 2004, fairly early in the game when our political process was in the middle of re-electing W... Ask instead, "Why, Jeff, did you get of a promising AF career so early?"