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The Carrier/UTC ORC mentioned above looks like this:

There are 2 installed at Chena Hot Springs
There up to 135 more to be installed in Utah.
EP. I am sure you recognized as I did that any vapor system able to work well with low temps is a candidate for solar thermal on that same roof. Would be good to hear what the UTC people think of that relative to PV.
Low-temperature solar-thermal is an oxymoron. Your system efficiency is less than the Carnot efficiency (T_hot-T_cold)/T_hot regardless of the working fluid you use. There are plenty of fluids in industrial use that vapourize at lower temperatures then water: they're used in your air conditioner and refrigerator.
Carnot efficiency in solar power systems is not as important as dollar efficiency. Flat plate solar thermal can easily provide 100C temps which can be cheaply stored for long periods of time. A lower carnot efficiency does lead to the need for larger equipment for each watt of output. Wind turbines are a good example of a large device with poor thermal efficiency but excellent dollar efficiency.
Wind turbines make a poor counterpoints, with a maximum efficiency of 59% (Betz law), of which 45% is typically achieved.
Wind turbines DO NOT WORK on thermal principals.
Make sure you do not confuse Thermal differentials with Kinetic energy differentials.
Thank you.
First thermal differentials create the wind. Second careful measurements show a temperature difference between upwind and downwind spaces around the blades.
Sigh. I had no desire to repeat a thermo 1 lecture at this late stage in my life, but on thinking about it, decided that it might be good to do so as background information for those who might be misled by the above two entries. (Sorry, EP, all of the below is elementary and you need go no further. Have a good vacation.)
"Low temperature solar thermal" bears no internal contradictions (oxymoron- a congregation of contradictory words). Elementary thermodynamics declares that any temperature difference between heat source and sink allows a reversible heat engine receiving heat from the high temperature source to produce power at an efficiency equal to the temperature difference between source and sink divided by the high temperature (Carnot efficiency).
Thus a flat plate solar receiver, delivering heat at say 200C (473K), might allow a reversible engine rejecting heat to atmosphere at 50C (323K), an efficiency of 150/473 = 31%
But, alas, we all know that there is no such thing as areversible heat engine in real life, except perhaps one running infinitely slowly, producing no power.
Experience shows that real vapor cycles (steam, organics, etc operating on the Rankine cycle) might deliver an efficiency perhaps 60% of Carnot, or higher if all components are highly efficient. Thus a real vapor machine operating as above might have an efficiency somewhat above 15%, which must be further attenuated by other component efficiencies such as those of the absorber, alternator, electronic convereter and all the rest of reality.
This brings up a source of common errors. Efficiency is unfortunately, variously defined and often misused and/or confused. The carnot efficiency above refers to the CYCLE efficiency of an ideal machine. The COMPONENT efficiency, is quite different; it is defined as the ratio of component performance relative to an ideal machine performance. In the case of an expander in an ordinary vapor cycle, its efficiency may be defined as its power output divided by the ideal power output (mass flow rate times isentropic enthalpy drop from receiver pressure to rejector pressure). This may range from zero ( a throttling valve) to very high, approaching 100%.
In a reversible thermal machine, all components must have 100% efficiency, even though the ideal cycle efficiency might be say, a mere 30%.
What I was getting at in my remark above, is that IF there is a very good vapor expander available, THEN relatively low temperature vapor cycle systems might give good overall performance, and one should always consider this possiblilty when judging relative merits of the several solar power opportunities.
Disclosure- I am not a fan of PV- reasons given above. PV gets far too much money, and I and my poverty-ridden fellow thermal machine enthusiasts, get little or none. Drat!. Nevertheless, grieviously burdened by futile PV envy tho I might be, I shall now return to my nap.
The Synergetic Power group of MIT Grads built a low-tech solar trough Organic Rankine Cycle CSP plant with simple sheet metal solar troughs, low-boiling point fluid and a vane air motor for a turbine. They received a Ignite Award and a grant from the World Bank to build a beta site in Lesotho, South Africa.
pdf brochure
They are claiming 1 kW peak output from 14m2 of trough collectors. Assuming 1kw solar radiation peak, this is around 7% efficiency. The only real consideration in solar thermal power generation efficiency is the cost of the system per output kW.
Thanks, rohar1 for bringing this one to my attention. I had missed it somehow. Serves as excellent demonstration of what I was saying. Even with quite low component efficiency (car components are mediocre), a moderate temperature solar thermal system can get fairly low cost/kw-hr.
And beat PV!
BTW, during my efforts in Africa, I found that the locals liked things they could fix, even when they needed a lot of fixing- as long as the thing was doing them some good.
So who can fix a PV panel after a goat jumps on it?
I might even start contributing to the old ME department again. Might even let them know how to make a far better(simpler, cheaper, longer lived) system (he hehe).