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VW 1 Liter Vs. The TV
In the May 27th Drumbeat there was a thread discussing the Loremo, Aptera, and VW 1 Liter. In the discussion, some wattage figures were thrown about, and that of the VW 1 liter shocked me as to how low it was.
For whatever reason, I hear “Watts” and think “TV”…Therefore: VW 1 Liter Vs. The TV
As surprised as I was at the low number from the VW 1 Liter, I was equally surprised (in the ungood way) at the power consumption of some of these TV’s.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html
The BeastMaster: Sharp LC-65D90U 65 Inch LCD weighing in at 584 Watts
The majority are in the 150 – 300 Watt range, so I think 200 Watts might be a reasonable figure to use as an average TV.
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So where does an average 25 mile daily commute put you in a VW 1 Liter in terms of TV hours?
We'll say: (25 miles) * (82 Watt-hours/mile) = 2,050 Watt-hours
So: (2,050 Watt-hours)/(200 Watts) = 10.25 hours of TV time
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(25 miles) * (2,000 Watt-hours/mile) = 50,000Watt-hours
(50,000Watt-hours)/(200 Watts) = 250 hours of TV time
LCD's and wattage, HA, go check the wattage of PLASMA TV. You need an AC unit to keep the room cool from their heat ouput. Though Plasmas are not selling well now because LCD's are getting bigger.
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Check out that CNET link..it has Rear Projection, LCD's and Plasma as well as two token CRTs. The BeastMaster has nearly all of them by a healthy margin. I also noticed after I posted that, that it has a STANDBY of 76 Watts! 76 watts to do NOTHING! But yes, the plasmas are higher on average.
Wow, I got quoted.
A watt-hour isn't very much. So it's not so surprising that a big TV uses a lot. By a strange circumstance, electric cars and video projectors are two of my biggest interests.
Most video projection technologies are "light valves". That means that a bulb provides a constant light source, and some arrays of shutters act to block part of that light to form an image. Even film projectors are light valves. So the standard output of the bulb is the baseline for the projector's power consumption.
Fortunately great strides have been made. My old JVC G10 front projector used a 400 watt xenon arc bulb for outstanding color accuracy, but it only lasts 1000 hours, and I simply couldn't afford to replace it. My new projector, an Optoma HD70 DLP, cost me $850, is brighter, has a much better contrast ratio, and uses a 200 watt bulb. Furthermore, I run it in the low output setting to increase bulb life to 3000 hours and reduce heat rejection.
The problem is, I keep forgetting that when I stop the player, the screen goes dark but the bulb is still cranking away in there. I try to limit use to 2 hours a night, but I keep pausing the movie for things.
The next goals for power reduction are the use of LEDs as bulbs, and the replacement of plasmas and flat LCD panels with OLED panels. So far, the former are limited to conference-table screens.
As for cars, I know of some watt-hour figures for some other vehicles. The Prius is commonly said to consume 250 watt-hours/mile. However, a dozen years ago AC Propulsion converted a Civic to run on lead-acid batteries:
"In June of 1996, at 77,000 km, the AC Propulsion electric vehicle traveled 233 km (145 mi) on one charge over Southern California Edison’s Pomona Loop, a 31.2 km (19.4 mi) circuit of city streets in and around Pomona, California. The Optima spiral-wound lead-acid EV batteries had been installed at 65,000 km, and the new range mark represents a 23% improvement over the best range achieved with the previous generation Optimas. The AC Propulsion EV completed the range test with an average energy consumption of 78 Wh/km (126 Wh/mi)."
I have to wonder what they knew that GM did not. Top speed was about 80 mph, 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, and a weight of about 3500 lbs.
Solectria also did some great work in those days, building a handful of Sunrise composite sedans in lead-acid, NiMH and lithium ion versions:
"Solectria Corporation announced today that unofficial
results indicate the Solectria Sunrise electric sedan powered by Ovonic
Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries set a new electric vehicle range record by
completing 375 miles on a single charge in the third day of racing in the
1996 NESEA American Tour de Sol, the national solar and electric vehicle (EV)
championship."
Here's pictures:
www.austinev.org/evalbum/655
The secret is the weight.
I keep seeing the citation that the Prius uses about 250 Watt-hours per mile. I think it is not right. I suspect the true number is closer to 100 to 150 Watt-hours per mile based on my experience.
Whoa, I've gotta call bu!!sh!t on this one. The energy equivalent of a gallon of gas is about 36kW-hours...are you saying the Prius gets 360 to 240 miles per gallon? Even 250 Watt-hours per mile would be 144mpg evquivalent - BS on that too. Now 600 Watt-hours per mile I can believe.
Didn't someone in here say that electric power to the wheels is about 90% efficient and gasoline is 10% to 15% efficient -- so (taking the best ratio of 9x) your Prius numbers go to 40 to 26 mpg. No?
You have to be careful about comparing the same quantities. In an electrical appliance we generally compare the power delivered to the device by the electrical service.
In an automobile we measure the fuel consumed, not the power generated by the engine. A gallon of gas does have roughly 36 kWH of energy. However, only about 25% of that is converted to useful energy. Thus, if we measure cars the way we measure TVs then you'd have to consider that a gallon of gasoline produces roughly 9 kWH of useful energy.
Check out novalux.com for information about laser projectors. They claim that a 65" display will consume under 200W. They are also looking to produce smaller projectors that will fit in your cell phone or iPod. Obviously these will use less than 200W.