Population has been a topic before, and now it seems the rural Chinese are rioting over the one child policy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/china_village_protest;_ylt=AjlWV5C9zr0SEhIZSw...

It's obvious that population control wouldn't work in a democratic environment. Looks like it might not work anywhere for that matter, at least in the long run.

I read the article, but I'm still confused. It said the riots were over a reduction in fines for violating the one-child rule?

The problem will solve itself.
But not in a nice way.

Well, thanks to the one-child policy in combination with the desire to have male children, there are a lot more males than femals in the country. Unless there is sharing of wives, the inability to hook up with a girl would certainly inhibit your ability to have children. If they keep it up, there might end up being a substantial population drop in China.

Here in the US for instance, population wouldn't be growing if it wasn't for immigration. That 1.X-2 children that each couple has.. lol

"Here in the US for instance, population wouldn't be growing if it wasn't for immigration. That 1.X-2 children that each couple has.."

US population would still be growing without immigration, just slower than it is now. TFR would probably be around 1.8 without the level of immigration we have had since the early 90s (extrapolating the downward TFR trend at that point), as opposed to 2.09 in 2006, which is still nominally at 'replacement' level.

I don't think it would be growing. If it were, it would be barely growing.

Immigrants have larger families for several generations after they arrive. That's what has kept our population growth rate up, as much as the actual first-generation immigrants.

But look at what they rioted over:

The latest riots erupted Tuesday in rural parts of the southern region of Guangxi, apparently in the mistaken belief that the government was reducing its fines for violating family size limits, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

(Emphasis mine.)

They were upset because they thought the government was lowering the fine for having extra kids.

That's amazing, protesting the lowering of a fine. It must be that children are viewed like pollution. I could see protests here if fines for dumping toxins in the rivers was lowered.

Or...it could be that they paid the higher fine, and are upset that others won't have to.

Or... that the poor people who wouldn't even be able to afford the lower fine don't want to the rich to get off easy, and to have their own One kid swamped by a bunch of rich kids because their parents could pay the reduced fine.

Or...it could be that they paid the higher fine, and are upset that others won't have to

You are correct.

See http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK95542.htm

Never believe the MSM! ;)

I believe that the riots occurred when the people realized that the fines were not, in fact, going to be lowered. The 'mistaken belief' got their hopes up, and they rioted when they were told they were mistaken...

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Global decline rate, Post peak: 2%
Economic response: Severe global recession, ~5 years, then slow recovery

The reason was that they weren't reducing the fines enough:

In the latest case, the catalyst was a purported government document said that fines for having a second child would be reduced to a few dollars from the current minimum of $1,300.

Bah, population won't be a problem soon enough.
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It's obvious that population control wouldn't work in a democratic environment.

Studying the situation and coming to this realisation is what turned Jay Hanson into a doomer. It is possible for humans to come up with solutions, but the imperatives our species have grown up with have made this very unlikely.

On the topic of gas prices, the self styled conservative commentator that comes on CNN mid-evening (Beck, I think his name is) went on a large rant about how we have to do something, a "moon shot effort" to reduce dependency, that some people have technical solutions, that politics and congress are blocking it etc etc (he promised more on that this evening). Lots of awareness that demand is supposed to rise (he quoted the 120 mb/day figures that came up in the studies widely discussed on TOD). Lots of awareness that we are in an energy crisis of unprecedented proportion... ... not a word on the likely inability of the world oil industry to produce 120 md/day under any circumstances, and certainly none on the likelihood that 20 years from now we won't even see production at current levels.

Lots of apparent indulgence of fantasyland pseudoscience, but seemingly no awareness of the real issue, which is limitation of overall supply.

Maybe he just got all that from "supply side economics" which is another name for creating what you need out of nothing. Fiat Lux.

ciao,
Bruce

"DD"

As long he Catholic religion outlaws birth control there will be no controlled
lowering of the planets population!

DD

Ha! Italy has one of the lowest birthrates on the planet, and this right under the nose of 'Il Papa' in the Vatican. Now do you really think (stereotype alert) all those Italians are practicing abstinence?

No, they have an extremely high abortion rate -- they use it for birth control. Hard to imagine the logic that makes abortion less of a sin than birth control though.

If il papa would just tell the world to wrap that rascal it would make such a difference -- on a recent trip to Brazil, looking out from the airplane window at the endless sea of apartment blocks in Sao Paolo, that's all we could think to ourselves.