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If you want a nightmare feet-on-the-ground along with your eyes on the ground, take the train to Atlanta and try to walk around the town.
It might be the most depressing place I have ever visited. There is no place for pedestrians, no green space, nothing but roads and fast cars and tight-lipped people hurrying to get somewhere -- the few that are actually out of their cars seem afraid to be unprotected.
I'm sure there are nice places in Atlanta -- but you need a car to get to them.
Funny, I live in Atlanta without a car. I guess it is a question of being willing to make the effort or just waiting for everything to be served up on a silver platter.
Yes the suburban sprawl surrounding the city is terrible and it does put a toll on the city with major interstates cutting through the heart of town to make it easier for suburb-to-suburb commuters to get around. But the city and the metro, while intertwined, are not that same thing. There are lots of people who live in the city without a car and do just fine. Many of the city's oldest neighborhoods, so called street car suburbs, with shady streets, walkable neighborhood retail, parks, and other amenities that create a great quality of life are accessible by mass transit. The city has one of the strongest tree ordinances in the country and working hard to undo the Robert Moses type mistakes of the 1960s in the central business districts.
Getting off at the AmTrak station and walking around a few blocks tells you as much about the city as does seeing a city from the interstate. I realize that it is trendy to bash Atlanta but some of us are working for real change instead of taking easy potshots on the internet based on limited superficial observations. So how about not condemning everyone in a city based on group think. If people here weren't friendly enough for you, perhaps you should look at your own comments and ask why that might be.
I live downtown, get around on mass transit, my bike, and my two feet. I could move to another city, get a car, feel smug and superior about the appearance of my surroundings while actually living a more environmentally destructive lifestyle but I'd rather walk the walk instead of talking the talk.
Sorry if I sound overly defensive about all of this, but it really annoys me to hear the same old recycled speaking points about where I live. I get tired of hearing it is impossible to live in Atlanta without a car, when I do it quite easily. I get tired of hearing there is no green space in Atlanta when there are two large green spaces right outside my window. I get tired of hearing there is nothing but concrete here when according to the national forest service, this is the most heavily forested major urban area in the US. I get tired of hearing how environmentally ignorant builders are when Atlanta has one of the highest concentrations of LEED certified high rises in the country. Yep, sounds like the absolute worst place in the country!
See this kind of superficial judgment makes me wonder about all of the other observations here and how many of them are similarly based on such shallow observations and guilt by association. Suburban Atlanta does have many terrible characteristics and the city isn't perfect but it certainly isn't the dehumanizing moonscape that many make it out to be.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm biking over to the farmers market to buy some locally grown produce. Since I'm not arriving in my car, I guess all the veggies will be wilted and the fruit rotten. Afterall, you can't get anywhere nice in Atlanta without a ton of glass and steel wrapped around you, right?
Wow. I'm glad to hear it is really a pleasant place.
I was reporting a personal experience, not making a blanket judgement of anything. Actually, not having or expecting a silver platter, I hired a taxi and went out to a very pleasant part of town where the Martin Luther King memorial is, and walked around. It's just that between point A and point B wasn't really walkable or bikeable, so far as I could see. But then, I didn't know what to expect, being a tourist from a small town in Oregon. I hoped for peach trees downtown, I suppose -- sort of like English peasants believed the streets of London were paved with gold. Silly me.
I am quite hopeful that most people on this blog are less superficial in their immediate judgements. Sorry.
My rule of thumb (imperfect as all such rules are) is that any place laid out and developed before WW II is going to be a fairly decent place to live (at worst) unless it has declined into a slum.
Any place developed from 1950 to 1970 is "not the worst" for human scale and pleasantness.
Anyplace developed post-1990 *IS* the worst.
Best Hopes for Back to the Future,
Alan
The city has one of the strongest tree ordinances in the country and working hard to undo the Robert Moses type mistakes of the 1960s in the central business districts.\\
Funny... I lived in Atlanta several years back. And I don't remember things the same way. Every piece of land that could be built upon was in play. KFC's and condo's mixed it up. Sidewalks? Forgetaboutit. Waste of concrete. There is a lot of ornamental landscaping, bfd, the sound of leaf blowers and line trimmers never ends.
When you leave you'll realize how lousy it really is.
Yeah, downtown Atlanta isn't that bad.. but the other 95% of the city is horrible. It isn't just the car centric city planning but also the attitude.
When I lived in DC, pedestrians would typically step boldly in front of traffic as they crossed the street knowing the cars would stop.
In Atlanta, pedestrians are typically seen making a mad dash across the street to avoid being run over by swarms of SUVs who may stop for pedestrians in the cross walk or may just swerve around them.
It brings back memories of the old Atari game Frogger.
Atlanta is the least pedestrian friendly city I have ever lived in or visited.