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CrystalRadio on June 8, 2007 - 11:02am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

How all this summer fun is going to run? The standard response to blame Oil has been seen but there are a lot of people out there that don't read TOD that will start looking beyond to more realistic answers,... maybe.

My thought is that I would like this to happen gradually. I think that if the realization that there is more to prices, than gouging and lack of diligence, comes at too swift a rate then the wheels could come off the financial market cart and we could all be suddenly sitting in shit creek after breaking through the bridge of orderly conduct. (well that should bring the literati after me with pitchforks and rusty shovels). Anyway is our course to publish or not to publish, is it wiser to sit quiet pen on desk or take up electric publishing and disseminate widely? To warn or not to warn, that is the question. (Oh my they will beat me badly now). Rate of change laddies, rate of change what is the appropriate rate of public awarness change?

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sylviah on June 8, 2007 - 11:15am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

CrystalRadio, publish away, unless you've got the nation's attention somehow, you're not going to get a very wide audience. The way I see it, TOD and others have been announcing this with trumpets for years. And no visible change in the tides of public opnion.

Now if we could get Paris Hilton to start giving press conferences on peak oil... But I do think it would behoove all of us to warn our families, friends, etc, who are likely to be most impacted.

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CrystalRadio on June 8, 2007 - 12:52pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hi sylviah,

I feel awareness in groups comes suddenly like a fire does once the kindling temperature is reached . I think with what has been happening through TOD's efforts along with these price hikes we could be getting to that point. (Remember 1973?) Once the fire starts is it controllable? Publish yes, but what? We don't want to be shouting fire in this crowded auditorium once the fire starts. Maybe more stories along the line of 'This way to the exit ladies and gentlemen'?

One hobby horse I have been riding, where the ecological bunch are missing it,is that it has emphasized the blood sweat and tears and not really touched what the upside of change might be. How about Westexas's ELP ideas with the codicil of 'and Enjoy it', because there will have to be enjoyment or that's it, enter Conan.

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AlanfromBigEasy on June 8, 2007 - 2:05pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Publish yes, but what?

I am trying to "pre-position ideas".

http://www.lightrailnow.org/features/f_lrt_2006-05a.htm

http://www.lightrailnow.org/features/f_lrt_2007-04a.htm

Perhaps we will start mitigation beforehand, but we may only react "after the fact".

I want viable concepts to be scattered about that desperate people can grasp, instead of corn ethanol, sarconol and snake oil.

Best Hopes,

Alan

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CrystalRadio on June 8, 2007 - 3:29pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hi Alan,

'publish yes, but what?'

I bought a nuke of bees the other day and today I put them into a hive ... those guys are fun (as long as you can keep them from 'dieoff') I once caught a swarm and looked like those pictures you see of beekeepers with beards and hair made of bees. Anyway maybe there is a real beekeeper on site that knows the stuff who could give a primer about bee keeping post P.O.?

Have Fun,

CR

After-thought ... maybe TOD could make a list of articles that would be good P.O. material and those who have the info could write them...start with of course Bee Keeping. :>)

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jokuhl on June 9, 2007 - 11:00am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I think Eric Blair said he keeps bees.. It was somebody who said that their hives only work organic crops, and are apparently healthy and fine. (Maybe a month ago or more)

Bob Fiske

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DelusionaL on June 8, 2007 - 11:09pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Alan, I agree. Best to get some ideas for the MSM to grab ahold of.
Add to that list less than 6x per week mail service. 3 x?

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AlanfromBigEasy on June 9, 2007 - 1:15am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Mail Service 3x/week when postal person has to drive more than, say, 8 miles for the daily route and 6x/week for walking routes and <8 mile routes. Perhaps 5x/week for routes in the 8.1 to 12 mile range.

An incentive to move into TOD ! And no energy is really saved by reducing walking routes. EV Postal Vehicles can work well for short routes with existing lead-acid batteries (perhaps with a PV Panel roof to self charge much of the time).

And that way I get to keep my 6x/week service (only back these last 4 months in New Orleans).

Good Idea,

Alan

I also added to my "Saudi Arabia has Peaked..." list the suggestion made by another TODer.

For six years, any car that meets Japanese or EU standards for safety and pollution AND gets x1.5 (50% better) mileage than that years CAFE can be sold in the US.

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