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How much of a masonry stoves effectiveness is due to it being an integrated approach to home-heating, as opposed to woodstoves that often seem bolted on almost as an afterthought? I have seen many examples of where a woodstove has been installed on an exterior wall at one end of a house. The flue promptly exits the building and then runs up the side of the home heating the outside. This also necessitates an expensive insulated double-wall pipe instead of a cheap single-wall flue. Such placement of a stove also prevents it from effectively heating one side of the house.
If you placed a woodstove in the middle of a building, ran the chimney up to the highest point of the roof, and surrounded the stove with a brick or stone fireplace, how close would it be to a masonry stove in terms of heat loss? Masonry stoves are said to burn hot at over 90% efficiency, but many woodstoves now get close to 70%. Thats worse, but not by that much. Presumably here both figures ignore the heat used to evaporate the remaining moisture in the wood. Do all masonry stoves have a dedicated inlet to prevent them drawing cold air into the house through gaps? Is that a major factor for the comparison with wood stoves?
I considered fitting a masonry stove to my home, but I think a woodstove might be better for us. I'm thinking of the compact size, flexibility, ambience of sitting watching the flames for longer, and familiarity contractors have with them compared to masonry stoves which noone has around here. We've got a big wall of south-facing glass, so we'll need greatly varying amounts of backup heat. The thermal mass of a masonry stove must be great for a passive solar house like ours, but they don't strike me as very adaptable to changing conditions. It either takes a while to get going and is then warm for a long time, or is off. A lot of people have solar hot water here, but they back that up with small instantaneous gas or oil boilers capable of supplying only the required amount of extra heat. A woodstove sounds closer to that ideal than a masonry stove.
Oh, and does anyone on here have a totally passive unheated house like a Passivhaus? That sounds like the ultimate integrated solution.
We heat our house entirely with a single woodstove. An imported Vermont Castings from your dear USA, excellent stove, 85% efficient. The house is 1900 sq ft, and our indoor temperature ranges between 21 C in the morning to about 25 C when we start up the stove in the afternoon. The bedrooms keep a nice 21-22 all day, as they are furthest from the stove.
And you can cook on the stove when we have blackouts.
We have our own forest, and also sell about five times our own firewood needs, all sustainable. Also about the same amount of lumber and paper pulp wood.
On the other hand our house is properly insulated as most Swedish houses are. It doesn't require much firewood to heat a house if it's insulated, and the temperature doesn't drop especially fast. Some heat is stored in the masonry chimney, but the rest is simply stored in the air and last long enough.
As for the nonsense on emissions, a modern stove like the Vermont (or a Swedish Nibe) produces very little emissions and very little ash as they burn clean. On the plus side for the Vermont is that it can be choked for higher efficiency and longer burn, and still not leave much ash or give emissions.
In fact, people who burn wood live longer and are healthier. One of the reasons is the excercise, another is that it's more common to live in the countryside and thus get fresh air, but also that anti-oxidants from the smoke is good for you.
Anyway, first measure is to insulate your house. We have almost a foot thick insulation in the walls and 1.5 feet on the roof, and high windows that bounce back the energy into the house instead of leaking.
In Finland there is a law stipulating that all single houses should have at least one wood stove or similar, as a backup if nothing else. Not so here in Sweden, although most do.
I know dozens of people who heat exclusively with a wooden stove, although it's supposed to be impossible and they are counted in statistics as using direct electric heat, and many, many more burning wood in a central heating furnace (usually with water tanks for energy storage and efficient burn).
But on the other hand, there's plenty of forest in Sweden, always has been.
Tell me more about the antioxidants in wood smoke, never heard about it.
Here's the english summary of a Swedish report, funded by the Swedish Energy Agency. The complete report is available in Swedish here:
http://www.afabinfo.com/pdf_doc/fou_rapporter/AntioxidantrapportCTH.pdf
Summary
Increased residential wood burning has been questioned referring to environmental and health
hazards due to emitted smoke components. In this project, the presence of phenolic
antioxidants in wood smoke was demonstrated, presenting a more positive aspect on the
smoke.
The antioxidants are mainly methoxyphenols released from the lignin of the wood.
Dimethoyxyphenols from hardwood are the strongest antioxidants. At combustion
temperatures below 800oC and especially for smouldering wood the methoxyphenols normally
constitute the main fraction of the organic smoke components. Most methoxyphenols condense
on cooling and are present as particulate matter in ambient air. The phenolic antioxidants are
released together with almost as large amounts of 1,6-anhydroglucose formed mainly from
cellulose.
The assessment of components in wood smoke which are positive or at least harmless with
respect to health has met with great interest. The occurrence and proportions of specific
methoxyphenols in wood smoke of various origins have therefore been emphasized in the
project. Comparisons were also made with smoke for food curing, from newspaper burning and
from burning of forest biomass components.
Smoke from residential fireplace burning of hardwood in particular consists of a large
proportion of effective antioxidants and a low proportion of hazardous compounds. Residential
boilers with unsatisfactory combustion may produce a smoke with elevated concentrations of
benzene and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. An environmentally labelled boiler emitted
almost negligible amounts of organic compounds. Wood pellets burnt in free-standing stoves
or in boiler burners emitted lower amounts of both antioxidants and hazardous compounds than
comparable firewood burning.
Thanks, now it will be a real plesure to heat my house with wood.
but also that anti-oxidants from the smoke is good for you
Are you sure about that? I thought smoke mostly contained free radicals, in the form of NOx.
San;
Your chimney alterations would help. The greater advantages in a complete masonry stove includes very signifigantly A) The secondary combustion chamber, raising temperatures within the great mass of the core furnace and burning the wood as thoroughly as possible.. and B) a series of ducts crafted into the stone/brickwork which carries the smoke down through the sides and back of the Massive Block, further extracting heat from it, only exiting to the chimney back at the bottom of the unit.
There are masons' groups that specialise (see my reply to Nate) in these, and work to share info on who is nearest to a potential customer, plus useful knowledge about the stoves themselves. Both Masonry's that my Mother had built were beautiful craftspieces that adorned the heart of the house, they would be cozy to cuddle up against and read or nap, fully days after a burn (often 48 hrs, except in the deepest cold), the cats would sleep on top of it, we baked bread, turkeys, and pizzas in the 'Expansion Chamber' (Secondary Combustion), soon after the 2-hour burn was done, as they had been fitted with oven doors above the fire-windows, for just that purpose.
Even this year, visiting the older of these two homes, the current owner said this has been his cheapest home to heat, in Maine's white Mts, while his other homes had been in New Jersey! It's not excessive to say that this could be a clear advantage in the value of the house, were you to want to sell it.
As far as Solar.. this older home was also Passive solar, in addition to the Masonry stove. The new owner replaced a lot of the south windows with less glazed area, and has decided to use a gas heater as a supplement.. but we never did. It didn't take full advantage of its solar potential, but had it done so, I'm sure the two together would have been enough except for very extreme conditions.
Bob Fiske
(feel free to email.. listed under my account info)