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And what many of these 'rich' people don't seem to get, is the $5000 in aid to "the poor" is better than $30,000 for jail. And a gated community is 'fine' when there is rule of law. If the worst ideas happen as some here think, no gated community will be safe. If there are 'roving mobs' - what gated community will be safe? With some of the people out there being http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html these kinds of folk...such does not end well.
In the historic gated community, there were no rifles or mortar shells. Today there are.
A gated community will simply be a big advertisement for "get your money and food here!"
If the Alps could not stop Atilla with his herd of elephants no gated 'community' is going to stop those bent on breaching the walls. History is littered with fools that thought stationary defenses would keep out the hordes.
WT hit on the correct solution for the well off that wish to retain their scalps when tshtf...stay low profile and live like the less well off. Living a 'less well off' lifestyle will also allow for the accumulation of more inflation bridges, like gold, instead of spending that discretionary income on the upkeep of a home in a gated community and keeping up appearances. Smart people have known throughout history that what is inside ones home is not obvious by the outside appearance.
Atilla the Hun didn't had any elephants, you are talking about Hannibal who lived few century earlier.
Thanks, but I believe I got my point across.
That you don't actually know history?
A note about living like the have-nots:
Generators can be heard from far away and will be a dead giveaway. Solar panels on the roof or a wind generator in the back yard can be seen from far away and will also be a dead giveaway.
On the other hand, when you get out into the small towns and countryside, poor folks are just as likely as the well-to-do to have woodstoves in their homes; maybe even more likely. There are plenty of poor salt-of-the-earth types that have always gone out into the nearby forests with a chain saw and loaded up their beat up old pickup trucks with firewood, to be piled outside their beat up old houses. Smoke coming out of the chimney of a house that is not obviously the house of a well-to-do person might be visible from far away, but does not convey the same sort of message as the above examples do.
Eric: You might be right, but the gated communities I have seen in Florida have armed guards. Currently private security is a huge and growing business in the USA and I would expect societal breakdown to help it prosper even more. You could even see large concerns like Blackwater taking over protection for larger communities. IMHO, the upper middle class and above will pay top dollar for physical protection (it is worth as least as much money per annum as healthcare).
Eric: You might be right, but the gated communities I have seen in Florida have armed guards.
And if we are at the point where there is to be 'raids' on gated communities, one has to keep in mind the difference between the old and new gated city model.
There was not .308 or .50 cal rifles. The attackers can reach out and touch someone from a long distance. Do these guards want to work when they would lack the 'protection of the state' if they start getting snipped from other urban cover?
And some of the 'members of the lower class' are being trained on how to do this under the idea that the training will result in a chance to move up the ladder.
(Again, - how does this all end well? As a species, we'd better hope that the optimists turn out right.)
Forget the great unwashed, the poor, the benighted.
Forget money sucking mercanaries from Blackwater
Think about the pissed off ex-marines and soldiers.
The legionaires who came home, avoided the mutilation of IEDs, and know how to 'clean and cock', and can lay hands on weapons.
Think Russia 1918, Germany 1921.
Think Spartans and Friekorps.
Type Friekorps into Google or Wiki
Think pissed off, let down, left in the lurch, stabbed in the back.
The USA has the largest number of ex military types in the western world. You cycle more young men and women through the armed forces than any other Western nation. Assume that they did not forget the training when de-mobbed. Assume that going through hell+ returning to a shit job+ subprime mortgage may be considered a bit of a wind-up
All can get legal access to weapons.
Disenfrachised Ex military types + over the counter weapons = civil war.
Last time these conditions occured in Britain, we chopped the head off a King.
That's exactly the sentiments expressed to me by a friend yesterday. He said, "Forget the rednecks, it's those ex marines who are going to have mutiny against their commanders, and then we'll have a bunch of pissed off guys who are practically the dregs, running around in tanks terrorising and killing as they please."
errrr, that is not sounding like 'remind me how this ends well'.