![]() | Oilwatch Monthly - July 2007 | The Oil Drum | British MP interviews David Strahan, author "The Last Oil Shock" | ![]() |
142 comments on Peak Lite Revisited
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
| Show without comments | PDF version
142 comments on Peak Lite Revisited
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
| Show without comments | PDF version
Search The Oil Drum with Google
Support The Oil Drum
Recently on TOD:World
TOD:Campfire
TOD:Europe
- Peak Gold, Easier to Model than Peak Oil? - Part I
- Carbon Capture and Storage
- Oilwatch Monthly November 2009
TOD:Canada
- In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
- The Round-Up: October 24, 2008
- Compressed Air Energy Storage - How viable is it?
TOD:Australia/NZ
- International Energy Agency calls 'Peak' on OECD Oil Demand
- Australian Senate: Peak Oil motion defeated 31:6
- The Bullroarer - Friday 20th November 2009
TOD:Net Energy
Blogroll
Energy Sites
- The Coming Global Oil Crisis
- Die Off
- Dry Dipstick
- Energy Bulletin
- From the Wilderness
- Life After the Oil Crash
- Peak Oil Crisis
- Peak Oil News and Message Boards
- Powerswitch
- Rigzone
- Matthew Simmons
- Wolf at the Door
Environment & Sustainability Sites
- The Daily Green
- EcoGeek
- Eco Street
- Green Car Congress
- Green Options
- green.alltop.com
- Gristmill
- RealClimate
- Sustainablog
- Treehugger
- WorldChanging
Blogs
- Casaubon's Book
- Cleantech Blog
- Clusterf
k Nation (Jim Kunstler) - The Cost of Energy
- David Strahan
- Early Warning
- The Energy Blog
- European Tribune
- GraphOilology
- Health After Oil
- jeffvail.net
- Mobjectivist
- Peak Energy (Australia)
- Peak Energy (USA)
- R-Squared
- Resource Insights
Finance & Economics Blogs
- The Big Picture
- Calculated Risk
- The Crash Course
- Ecological Economics
- Econbrowser
- Environmental Economics
- Infectious Greed
- The Mess That Greenspan Made
- Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis
Organizations
Peak Oil Primers
Beware email scams!
Beware email scams claiming to be from this site. We do not have any job openings. If anyone contacts you about a job at The Oil Drum, do not reply to them, and definitely do not give them any personal information or send them money. Read more here.
“Most people spend more time and energy going around problems than in trying to solve them.”
—Henry Ford
User login
Contact
- Content: editors at theoildrum dot com
- Tech support: support at theoildrum dot com
Personnel
- Editors: Nate Hagens, Gail the Actuary, Prof. Goose
- DrumBeat Editor: Leanan
- Contributors: ace, Engineer-Poet, Heading Out, jeffvail, JoulesBurn, Sam Foucher, Robert Rapier
- TOD:Campfire: Glenn, Jason Bradford
- TOD:Europe: Chris Vernon, Euan Mearns, Francois Cellier, Jerome a Paris, Luís de Sousa, Rembrandt, Rune Likvern, Ugo Bardi
- TOD:Canada: benk, Libelle
- TOD:ANZ: Big Gav, Phil Hart, aeldric
- Emeritus: Stuart Staniford
- Technician: Super G
License
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.










GAIA Host Collective
The us has indeed declined at a low rate, but this is because we were blessed with deep water in the gom plus arctic reserves to tap. On a % basis the world cannot do what we did.
A 2%/y world decline may be possible, but anyway represents 2x the decline rate since 05... and we are continuing to see a geometric increase in demand from china and the exporters. The us decline came during an era when other countries were able to fill the gap, thereby allowing world and us consumption to continue climbing 2%+ even as our supply declined at the same rate. A world declining at 2%/y will have serious affects, and meanwhile NA/europe are quickly running out of ng.
If you add a U.S. inflation rate of 2-4%, then you get some more appreciation of the value of oil. There were technological advances all along the way since 1932 when it was estimated there were 10 billion barrels left in the United States. They did not have horizontal or offshore drilling yet. The technological advances to come might reduce the decline rate of some mature areas, but cannot restore the hundreds of billions of light oil gone from the world.
The problem in my opinion is not so much that oil is getting expensive. In fact if the increase were slow and steady I think we would adjust well enough and in time learn to live without. But it is the financial response that is likely to be the most dramatic. Will lenders continue to lend in a collapsing ecomony? I have heard many excuses for the dotcom debacle, but I really think it was banks upon realizing that the North Sea was in permanent decline that pulled capital from the market that killed the dotcom. If I recall correctly it was a Bank of America guy that first called the downturn and was met with ridicule, for a few days anyway. If oil is determined to be beyond peak, then I think we will see money dry up and rather quickly as those that have, move to shore up their wealth and find ways to protect it. Gold is relatively flat, so I don't think the time is upon us yet. Housing today is sort of like the dotcoms in that it relies on an increasing supply of money. I expect that the housing bust will excelerate over the next year or so, if we are well and truly beyond peak, and Kunstler will be able to finally say "I told you so". It was interesting to watch the exchange rate with the Euro drop again last week just before wall street made its heroic jump. I expect they are related since the DOW is more a reflection of the M3 money supply, than the relative health of the economy. But of course when the DOW is doing well, we tend not to dwell on other matters that are less propitious.