SAT,

I've enjoyed yours and Stoneleigh's thoughts on these financial matters, their implications, and which tea leaves to watch.

I do have a question tho. In your #2 scenario above, you talk about the "US Current Account Deficit now approaching 1 trillion dollars" and then seem to contradict yourself by saying "but the U.S. deficit isn't anywhere near 1 trillion at this point."

Forgive me my economic stupidity here but could you better explain what you mean, which I'm assuming has to do with slightly (or is it vastly?) different US deficits. A brief explanation would help undo my befuddlement. Thanks.

Godraz,

The Current Account Deficit is basically the trade deficit. The U.S. Current Account Deficit is approaching 1 trillion per year. What this means is that the surplus countries (mostly China, Japan, and the gulf states of the Middle East) end up with one trillion U.S. dollars which they must reinvest in dollar denominated assets if they don't want their own currencies to appreciate. The last thing these countries want is for their own currencies to appreciate. So they send these dollars back to the U.S. by investing in U.S. corporate debt, government debt, agency debt (Fannie May and Freddie Mac), or corporate equities. The problem right now is that corporate equities and debt are becoming far less attractive, and agency debt and other mortgage related debt will be issued more and more sparingly as the housing bubble corrects. That leaves government debt (the budget deficit), which is only around 200 billion per year. What I was referring to in situation 2 is that there may come a time when there simply isn't enough secure, money-making, U.S. denominated assets for the surplus countries to invest their dollars in. At that point they would have no choice but to convert their dollars into their own currencies (the option of last resort from China/Japan's point of view), convert their dollars into other currencies (for example, they could convert their dollars to euros and then buy euro-denominated debt), or buy something else like gold. We aren't there yet. The federal government is only issuing 200 billion or so of new debt this year, but the surplus countries can still enter the market and buy existing debt from other parties. The expected result of this would be to drive down bond yields. Watch the ten-year bond yield, for example. It's already down to 4.74% from above 5% a couple of weeks ago. That drop from 5% to 4.74% might not have anything to do with the Current Account situation described above, it is more likely just the result of people expecting economic conditions to worsen going forward (which also tends to cause yields to fall). But if at some point you see that yield really starting to tank, then the economy starting to pick up (since mortgage rates are tied to the yield on the ten-year bond), inflation picking up, asset prices spiking back up again, the fed raising interest rates to try to deal with inflation, and then the ten-year bond yield continuing to fall even in the face of Fed tightening, you will know it is because the surplus countries are buying up huge quantities of existing debt. The bottom line is that if the Current Account Deficit is 1 trillion, the surplus countries must find 1 trillion worth of U.S. dollar denominated debt to purchase. If they can't, they will be forced to begin purchasing something else, and this will lead to a dollar collapse.

Thanks SAT.

Ok, the distinction I was unclear about in your post had to do with the annual US Budget deficit (200+ M) vs. the accumulated Trade deficit (~1 T).

(Of course, there's the $8.9 trillion public debt, and the $50+ trillion and growing in total US govt. (We The People's govt.) liabilities of debt (according to the GAO). All this debt makes my head spin.)

I do understand the biggest trade surplus holders (China/Japan/GCC) have been sopping up US debt instruments, which seems counterproductive to me, seeing as they get paid back with more US $; although I guess it has kept us afloat to keep buying their stuff (so everyone can buy the GCC stuff); all of which just adds to their growing surpluses. Seems like a vicious cycle which works fine until it doesn't -- like beginning now with the unraveling of debts in the housing market, putting the squeeze on the consumer and within the credit lending mrkts. debt instruments, etc.

But why this US recession would strengthen the US $ I don't get. A US recession suggests lower US interest rates, which should hurt the $ strength relative to other currencies. And any $ strengthening interest rate hikes wouldn't help in a recession. Although in a contagious recession they'd lower their rates too. Japan doesn't have much room to go any lower. That leaves the Euro (primarily, although there are others but none that compares overall).

Obviously I'm missing something here. Although I do understand it's a fine mess we all are in. One that is loaded with trap doors everywhere one looks for relief, which is why I've got eggs stashed in every conceivable basket. Hopefully, one of them will survive the gut wrenching slow motion smash-up. Can't we just fast forward this thing and be done with it already! If I'm going to get screwed financially I'd prefer it was done with quick so I can rest up for the next one in line.

What a way to go.

Hi SAT,

Other than doing a bit of stock market trading, of the head in a sack variety, financial things are a mystery to me. I do not understand why China selling selling goods to the US is not taking those dollars and plunking them into goods, for instance, like oil and grain. Or are they doing that and just have so much more cash in hand that they need to buy 'American debt',( which I take to be all forms of bonds and treasury bits and pieces)? If so then that 'need to buy' would slide into the Canadian end of things equally? I guess that would mean that what my broker, and I guess every other broker in Christendom, keeps talking about bonds being a hedge against stock market slumps would not be in the end that simple sanctum sanctorum of monetary peace and safety?

BTW,Stoneleigh, Thanks for your comment on my plan, I didn't think it much of a plan either. I liked Jenks logical way of looking at it as well. Gotta take care a bit of these days or we all going to end up living with Baldrick in his drainpipe.