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Expat, the people buying the big homes in former corn fields are, for the most part, following in the footsteps of their mothers and fathers. They are living 'the American dream.' Leanans thread above regarding auto sales and opinions in Pennsylvania are very revealing (nod of thanks to Leanan). nine of ten people surveyed believe that smaller more efficient vehicles are needed but one half of the vehicles sold fall into the catagory of SUVs, pickups and other large vehicles. It is the 'do as I say, not as I do,' or, 'it is a good idea for someone else' attitude. While out on my morning walk I passed one house that had a full size Hummer and a giant Ford 4wd, four door pickup in the driveway plus a large SUV parked on the street in front of the house. All of the vehicles look new and shiny and the people living in the home are new residents...living the 'American dream'...They will continue on in denial untill some severe shock brings them into the real world, then they will probably go ballistic.
I'm pretty much East Coast in terms of my frame of reference, though I have travelled and spent time in other areas such as the Pacific Northwest (San Fransisco northwards to Oregon and Seattle), Boulder City, Nevada, and Denver, Colorado.
But those pictures of development in the middle of dry scrubland/desert are unbelievable, as unbelievable as the homes I saw being built on the coast in Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia - this had been prevented in the past, but the evidence of homes built less than 20 feet above high tide, with nothing stopping the waves but the gently sloping beach, itself moving sand, was stunning. But beaches are luxury, however defined, as was Marin County in the mid-80s- houses built on hillsides that wouldn't last a decade, much less the next truly heavy rain or an earthquake.
But this is thousands of people at a time, involving not so theoretical hundreds of millions of dollars for the housing alone, much less the possessions of the people moving in - bought on debt or not, they also represent a necessary component of the current economy by providing an ever larger amount of space to fill with consumer goods. Creating emptiness to fill seems an American specialty (I'm spending this week getting rid of stuff - The size of the housing is also incredible - somehow, it seems more stark out West.
Even in E.T., you can see how alien the suburb is in its surroundings (which tend to be Hollywood augmented in a number of ways), but this is something else - this is truly nowhere in a sense that had never occurred to me. My memories or riding a motorcycle out from Vegas involve stark landscapes with little built in the emptiness, especially the park, military, and reservation land.
But like the building on the beach, it seems as if building in the desert is no longer treated with even minimal restraint.
Hello Expat,
Your Quote: "But like the building on the beach, it seems as if building in the desert is no longer treated with even minimal restraint."
Rant on/
Nonsense. When the Arizona topdogs thoughtfully contemplate the never-ending water replenishment quantities of our vast desert mirages stretching across the entire receding horizon--I am surprised our delusional leaders don't require everyone to wear a life-jacket to protect us from the awesome flashflooding tsunamis racing forward over the scorching plain. The current elite plan is to hope the non-stop expansion of multitudes of golf course sand bunkers and carwash sewage drains will be able to sufficiently absorb the onrushing storm surge.
Rant off/
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
I agree with all said here. My only objection is the implied criticism of the people. There's no reason for sacrifice unless there is, well, a reason. And there has been no reason given by our "leaders" or media. In my retirement I taught at night school (working adults) at a local college. Even some of my better students would have had a hard time graduating from the high schools I went to in the 50s. They work much harder than I ever worked, have much less time for fun that I had as a young guy, and have no experience of political activism. In the 60s you couldn't graduate cum laud unless you had made at least a feeble attempt at overthrowing the gov't. And yet, things then were many times easier for young people than they are now. (Maybe not for some blacks and latinos who have been able to make it into the middle class since then.)
This generation is struggling so hard to maintain a lifestyle their parents achieved so easily. They just don't know yet that it is impossible. There needs to be a political movement that tells the truth about these things. Otherwise there will be massive chaos and bloodshed as the wheels come off the cart.
I'm 25, and to be honest thats very obvious to me. using my parents life as a guide if the times were the same is should have my own place right now and a good bit into a long standing carrier. but right now as it stands for me to have my own place i would have to have 2 jobs(both would be low paying as in sub 10 bucks a hour) and all i could do to enjoy the place was sleep in it. I just don't see the value in doing so other then just for bragging rights about having my own place.
Truekaiser,
There's a great training program through the Midland Community College system to work on land drilling rigs. Its a short course-about 3 months as I recall-but you'll be able to get a good paying job working for a drilling company or workover rig company starting around $10 ph with as much overtime as you can stand.
You might also inquire with some of the offshore service companies. They are actively looking for men who are willing to work for two or thee weeks at 72 hours per week (7 12 hr days) followed by a week or two off. If you are any good with computers, the opportunities really open up. Try Transocean, Diamond Offshore or Rowan for drilling companies. No joke, you can be making $60K a year quickly.
Bob Ebersole