mr f,

Thats an amazing piece of propoganda and stereotyping.Check your facts. Dick Cheney is a professional politician. He had never even had a job in the oil business when he made that video that you linked to in your comment. He worked there only five years, and resigned when he was nominated to be George W. Bush's Vice President.

If you will listen to the video again, what you hear is George H. W. Bush's position before his son became president, not the position that he publicly supports today, a mumbled "support our troops" stance.

The rich jerks that financed the Bush family rise in Texas politics inherited their money. They are the children and grandchildren of the founders of Exxon and Texaco, families like the Alkeck's, the Fondren's and the Farish's. George Herbert Walker was the current president's grandfather, and he was on the board of directors of Dresser, and the Bush family owned a very large block of stock in Haliburton after the merger with Dresser , as does the Carlysle group, another Bush front. The Bush family had Cheney hired by Haliburton as a reward for many years of loyal skulldugery in operations like Iran-Contra.

Yes, this is all confusing. The Bush's keep it that way to throw people off the scent, and the real truth. They are doing it all for the money. They use anyone they can, especially stupid rich folks at the River Oaks Country Club.

But young George W. Bush is out of anyone's control. He invaded Iraq in spite of what others said-listen to the Cheney video again, it shows their real position. The rest of the group went along because there is good money to be made as war profiteers, and under Cheney, Brown and Root merged with Haliburton, the same Brown and Root that made huge money in Viet Nam.

But to say that the oil business was the secret group in control behind the Iraq war is like the premise of the Protocol of the Elders of Zion, that rich Jewish bankers are at fault for everything and control the world. It plays directly off of people's stereotypes, but its not true, its a lie to distract people from what should as clear as the the nose on your face-its is the naked lust for money and power that is behind the whole thing.

Always follow the money. Especially with the Bush family.

The good old predictable "Check your facts" line that I know too well. I think I have. Yes. Everything is propaganda--you just have to make sure who it's for, you don't want it delivered to the wrong person! In this case, propaganda in support of the collections of neurons in my brain that say you are wholly unjustified in equating "Elders of Zion" conspiracy theories with a foreign policy stance that the major oil companies and their minions underwrite.

By minions I mean those that "aid and abet" the powerful interests which have a stake in "infinite growth into a finite resource base." That is practically everyone! At least, amongst those in the "elite." Since our complex systems are powered by hydrocarbons, that essentially means energy is at the top--everyone else waits for a dole out in exchange for some fiat currency.

I don't understand how you can accuse me of stereotyping though... On what basis?

You make a long and tedious rant about some old money families that still have money and power--but there is a market out there, and there are people with different types of power, doing entirely different "things." I'm engaged in stereotyping I don't know how...

I'm sure you'll tell me it's because Chevron has such wonderful ads in Harper's magazine or something...

Oh, and sorry for breaking my promise upthread.

Also, I might add that Dick's order of going from PNAC apparatchik to the private sector O&G industry hardly matters. In this case, it seems to indicate only further the impetus that experience gave him to address PO in this fashion (invade and occupy Iraq) versus the more rational (albeit liberal) response. His mind was easily changed by the sleek world of the XOM et al.