The whole "days of supply" concept is of no value. We could have zero days of supply, but as long as the truck was pulling up when we were, it wouldn't matter. We could have a 1000 days of supply but only one truck.

It's a national number, like real estate, that as you pointed out is meaningless in North Dakota.

Price is still the best indicator of availability.

The whole "days of supply" concept is of no value

Then why does the EIA use it?

And the $64,000 question is: Is price the best indicator of immediate availability or of long term availability?

Immediate availability!

C'mon Nate! You have had key posts based on discounting the future for the present.

Well I know what I think, but Im not always right.
It's more than mildly interesting that the markets believe that price is the best indicator of both of short term AND long term availability.

The price at the station is the immediate price. You can get the futures price from the nymex, which is a discounting mechanism based on what people think the future value will be.

http://www.nymex.com/lsco_fut_cso.aspx

Why does the EIA use it? Why do we need another 50B for Iraq? I just don't know.

Sorry - I was being sarcastic.
Im aware that the current price essentially equals the future price for the next 7 years, both on gas and on oil, which led to my statement - Why are the prices nearly identical? Glut of oil today? - futures prices in 2014 drop. Hurricane in the Gulf? 2012 futures rise (though not as much)

As long as there is no unlimited storage, these relationships dont decouple. But even if there was unlimited storage, I think prices of energy would be relatively flat all the way out the strip ( in a way there IS unlimited storage - that of keeping the resource in the ground.)

In other words, prices are going to tell us we have enough, until we don't.

That's cool. I agree with your last line completely.

You know, there are more boats for sale in the spring than in the fall, yet boats cost more in the spring. It's hard to explain the nuance to people that things cost what they cost based on what people will pay. Like I stated below, generic canned corn cost less than the national brand, but not because there is more of it.

When the days of supply does reach zero, I'm sure you and I agree completely on what the price will be that day!

I have been wondering if EIA's seasonal adjustment factors are getting out of whack. They keep saying we have don't have enough gasoline. I see no shortages anywhere. The doomsters cling to a single station closed in Missouri etc., when there are 200,000 gasoline stations n the USA.
Another query: If the EIA keeps warning about low supply, do station owners "top off" their tanks more than otherwise? I would, if I were a staion owner. So, do we have additional days supply in station tanks?
Lastly, as pointed out here, gasoline demand may finally be cooling off. Year-over-year increases in demand are shrinking. Given new models of cars have higher MPGs, we may be at the inflection point. Demand will start going down in the future.
When gasoline hits $4 a gallon ($1 in 1979 dollars) then we probably will see a big consumer shift. Back in 1979 we saw it. Gasoline is now $2.65 a gallon in Los Angeles. Much cheaper than 28 years ago.
You really can't criticize consumers for responding to price signals. The price signal today is that gasoline is not scarce, and takes an even smaller fraction of income than in 1979. Nevertheless, thanks to improving technologies, we are seeing demand flatline.
I suspect we will ease into an era of annual and secular declines in gasoline demand very soon. Since our refinery capacity will be bumped up slightly, I think we are nearly though the woods now. Worldwide refinery capacity is rising rapidly, and is predicted to actually glut markets by 2010.
Addtionally, in a couple of years, ethanol will male up 6 percent of US gasoline by volume, and it is not counted in the EIA survey.
I, too, would prefer a little more cushion than we seem to have now (I am still skeptical about the EIA seasonal adjustment factors). But, hey, there seems to be plenty of gasoline.

You're dreaming. What this will do is guarantee that we'll be stuck with w/an inefficient fleet in a time of shortage. Where's the beef!? re mileage? The reality is that people are still buying big cars because gas is cheap. Where's the beef!? re demand? We use an astronomical amount of fuel. This is the deadly flaw in capitalism is that it allows things to be much cheaper than long-term scarcity should dictate. We will almost certainly have shortages by next summer IMO and yet we have cheap gas this.

Matt

Hey, whaddya know, BenjaminCole's back on the scene.

Fossil Flatheads rejoice!!!

The Fossil Flatheads are strong. They are growing. They are handsome. But mostly, they are right.

it is obviously antidoomer. either he got banned, or he likes lots of sock puppets.

"Days of supply" is a good indicator as to what sort of buffer we would have in an emergency. Less "days of supply" mean we have less room to maneuver with any sort of difficulties. There would be less supply for evacuations or emergency vehicles. This is where the SPR might make a big difference for us, if we reserve its use for real emergencies, of course.

Does that confuse crude with gasoline? We can't count SPR as days of supply for gasoline unless we account for the lag time between pulling the oil out and processing it.