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Right. No doubt the world will be much better off with all the lovely new mutants to be generated by the coming irradiation of Iran -- which no doubt will spread around somewhat due to geo-political factors that won't be very well controlled.
The NYT has zero credibility with me any more.
Eric's point was rather simple - in any group of radiation induced mutations, some of them will be beneficial. We can generalize that to any mutation, not just radiation induced. That is precisely how natural selection has worked for billions of years. Creatures don't mutate in response to environmental pressures. Mutations occur and if one of those mutations is more adept at surviving in a particular ecological niche then it is passed on. Most such mutations are not passed on as the individual possessing the mutated gene fails to survive.
This is not an attempt to justify depleted uranium in Iraq. The article simply pointed out that rather than using genetic modification techniques (which have already been shown to be unexpectedly dangerous), this process simply takes an existing genetic set and mutates it exactly as nature does then sees if we get a viable offspring. Huge numbers of failed mutants get discarded this way but the few that are useful have entered our daily lives as useful products. The fact that this process simply uses the exact same steps as nature itself is reassuring, as opposed to combining DNA from completely different creatures then wondering what the heck you got out of that transaction and discovering the dangers months or years later.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone
The fact that this process simply uses the exact same steps as nature itself is reassuring, as opposed to combining DNA from completely different creatures then wondering what the heck you got out of that transaction and discovering the dangers months or years later.
Keep in mind that ANY mutation could 'be dangerous' - but I agree with your POV.
A bit OT. There is research showing tendencies for mutations on parts of the genome that deal with parts of the phenotype that are under increased environmental pressure to mutate faster than other parts of the genome. Partially directed mutation in essence. Read Jablonka and Lamb's 'Evolution in Four Dimensions' for an excellent summary of the state of the research in evolution.
They simply argue that the data to date is inconclusive. But something they fail to consider is the role of natural selection coupled with mutation to produce what appears to be a "directed" mutation.
Mutations (which are random events) become naturally selected upon more readily when those mutations correspond to an area of environmental pressure (and thus directly related to survival). Thus one mutation might get lost in the genetic shuffle because it does not currently provide a survival advantage in the current ecological niche (while it might in some other environment), but another mutation becomes an advantage and gets selected for survival thus ensuring its transmission downstream to descendants.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone
Also not considered is that a species is not separate from its environment. Pressure from the environment to change the species stimulates a response from the species to change its environment. Plants respond to overgrazing by producing toxins. The species that are overgrazing respond by less grazing. The crux is in the PID response curve and the timing. Also, some changes don't appear as genetic mutations because DNA has so much unknown ability to respond with its reserves that what appears to be a systemic response is probably due to past genetic mutations which are merely dormant, and thus don't show up as changes in electrophoresis (sp?) testing.
Species are also stupid. They have little understanding of how their actions are modifying the environment.
The best example is that of the Oxygen Catastrophe.
The key question is "Are we smarter than Cyanobacteria?"