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Please don't reply to an unrelated post just to get higher up on the page. It's confusing enough trying to follow threads here without people doing that.
Since it was a news story and not a comment was just putting it up with the stories. If you would like I can send them to you to post, as it was relevant with regards to oil and USD.
It's a great story, and I'm glad you posted it. But please post it at the bottom, as a new comment, next time. If everyone did what you did, it would be impossible to follow the discussion.
If you really want me to post a story up top, submit it as a news story at PeakOil.com. (You don't have to register to do that.) I'll see it there.
Oops, you're giving away your secrets!
"If everyone did what you did, it would be impossible to follow the discussion."
But everyone does do what he did.
How often has someone (no names of course) posted something related to the first post or second post on a thread as the third or fourth post on the string, and returned a few hours later, to find the string whacked in half or thirds by completely unrelated conversations, and found the original third post or fourth post, completely relevant, pushed back to become the 50th post, now looking as though it is unrelated to the string of the current conversation.
RC
Exactly.
But thread drift is one thing, thread-jacking is another.
We can't do anything about thread drift (and I'm not sure we'd want to, anyway), but I would like to discourage blatant thread-jacking. That's why I replied, instead of just deleting it or sending a private e-mail.
Dare I suggest a better comment user interface? Most such problems could be fixed if the interface gave users the power to expand or collapse threads, or change the order of sibling comments. I don't know what technologies TOD is implemented with, but I'd be willing to help if I could.
As you've no doubt noticed, we have a lot of issues with our user interface.
We use Drupal. If you have the skills, I'm sure SuperG would welcome some help. He has asked for help before, but there don't seem to be many people out there with the necessary skills and time.
If you want to volunteer, e-mail SuperG at the Tech Support addy on the right sidebar.
Am I correct that "Post a Comment" under the main article and "Start New Thread" at the bottom of each post do the same thing? If so, I am wondering if maybe some people are hitting "Reply" or "Reply in new window" when they really mean to be hit "Start new thread"? Would "Start new topic" perhaps be a better phrasing?
I'll take a look at Drupal and see if it's something I think I can help with. I'm not terribly familiar with PHP, unfortunately.
Most of the problems brought up (repeatedly) by TOD staff are solved in modern web forum software. However TOD is not interested in starting a forum so you are stuck with blog style comments, which are a huge throwback ignoring years and years of Usenet news and web forum development already done.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
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The comment threading doesn't really bother me. It's the database issues that drive me bonkers. The lack of caching, in particular. There's a million links on the average TOD page, and it's so easy to accidentally click one. If you do that while composing your post, you lose it, because hitting "back" doesn't get back your work. A couple of times I've done that after composing a fairly lengthy DrumBeat. Or the server chokes momentarily, and I get an error message when I hit "submit." In most other forums, you can hit "back" and get all your work back. Not here. Several times I've compiled a lengthy DrumBeat, then lost it because of the @#$* caching issue.
The caching issue also nukes all the "new" flags when you post, which is far more disruptive to discussion than any threading issue, IMO.
Leanan, I used to have the exact same problem but no more. Now I just compose everything in Word then copy and paste it into TOD. Now if something happens I still have the entire message in Word. And there is an extra benefit of doing everything in Word. The spellchecker is so easy there.
Ron Patterson
Composing in another program is a good way, but there can be formatting issues...especially when using something like Notepad. For smaller entries that don't take a lot of time I highlight all the text, and copy it, before hitting submit just in case something hiccups...if it hiccups I just have to paste and try again. If you're using the right click to do it, one needs to avoid "delete" like the plague though, or it would all be for naught(though usually you can go to Edit -> Undo and fix even that blunder). I have a sneaking suspicion that Leanan doesn't need the spellchecker in Word...the whiz-bang new FireFox contains an integrated spellchecker which checks the text in boxes like these.
As weird as it sounds, I think the blog format creates a sense of community. Because we're all squished into this one page in a series of threads we have to get along or it'd just be complete garbage. In forums where you can spawn other sections, certain sections tend to get cliquey and so you start avoiding them and other bizzare things which start to create what are essentially multiple different sites.
Amen
Not that it's brilliant, but the way I deal with this is to open a 'new window' when I want to comment, as I did just now. After posting, I just close that window and return to the page which still has the "new" flags attached.
I prefer the blog style of reading. Reading as a single list, I can easily filter any messages or threads I'm not interested in an just go on to the next. Also the highlighting of new messages makes it easy to re read thru it later on.
Overall, though there are some delays, I don't find the performance all that bad. I suppose if I was on a slow link, then the drilldown style would be preferrable.
For me and I think many others, the blog style is more usable and helps contribute to the amount of activity on the site.
-Don
Roger, I think you are misinterpreting how the list protocal actually works. When you reply to a message, that already has one or more replys, and replys to those replys, then your reply will appear at the bottom of the whold damn string of replys.
Inagin a post that has a reply, then a reply to that reply, then a reply to that and on down the line for eight or ten posts. By the time you get to the last post in the string, the subject will often have drifted to a considerable distance from the original subject. Yet your reply, to the original post, will appear at the bottom of this entire string of replys.
That is just where it winds up, not where anyone actually placed it.
Ron Patterson
I like the format of this weblog, especially for the drumbeats. The thread drift keeps all related links together. As long as you are signed in, you can space bar down the page and read the blue NEW comments when you see them. I think this format also keeps people from posting trite commentary. Quality over quantity. With the traffic through this site, around 200 posts for a drumbeat is outstanding refinement of information.
I do imagine a two week posting probation will be needed once TSHTF a bit.
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