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I've pointed it out many times before, but price, availability , and in particular supply models post-peak are in a different world to those pre-peak. Attempting to take pre-peak 'elasticity' curves and trying to predict what will happen post-peak is a mugs game.
They are very much different worlds.
Sure, the world could make sane and sensible decisions as to how to reduce demand to match supply. World history is the history of a world not making sane and sensible decisions. Economics is a best a set of temporary, localised, rules of thumb that don't survive upheaval.
Spot on. No matter how sensible economic theory will work in a post-peak world and how other forms of energy will be brought to bear, the underlying presumption of this exercise is that this problem is occuring in its own perfect isolation!
This is a tragically false assumption, albeit not an unsurprising one. Any reasonable assessment of the facts now coming to light about our climate change problem and its unforeseen effect upon the Arctic region -- whether it be the preciptious decline in polar sea ice, Greenland glacial melting, or tundra thawing -- refutes this pure economic stance.
Economists can and do wager what the economic cost of this change will be, but as yet we've done little to alter any of it, be it peak oil, climate change, or most any other ecologic degradation from growing worse with our economic practices that do not accurately reflect the real costs involved.
IMHO, abstract economic theory one thing (of which our GNP, the DJI, and the prices of anything reflects), and messy earthly and human reality is another. Neither are in accord with one another but one will definitely soon strangle the life out of the other.
In either case we are losing badly.
"Supply and Demand in the Irish Potato Famine"
During the Irish Potato famine, at least a million starved to death and at least as many emigrated --as we all know -- while the English landlords continued to export food from Ireland to Britain and the Continent.
I would like to see the supply demand curve for this.
It would seem (from the viewpoint of the economist) that demand for food fell during the famine. Since peasants had no money, they could exert no demand (demonstrations, rioting, theft etc. are, of course, not considered modes of expressing demand).
It is an interesting point of view: I can starve to death, needing and desiring food, but without "demanding" it. I can only "demand" it if I present whatever amount of money is required to buy it.
In the Energy Descent to come, presumably things will be similar. Demand (as defined above) will fall, but it won't be because desire or need has lessened in any way.
Excellent point. I agree completely.