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Ten hour workdays tend to lead to fatigue and lower productivity for many.
I think a 9 hour work week with alternating three day weekends would be a good compromise. The extra half hour/week would help make up for lost productivity to the employers.
Alan
IME, you are correct. I would not be in favor of a 4-day work week if it was still 40 hours a week. Ten hours is too much.
We used to have "summer flex time" in our office. You could have any schedule you wanted for the summer, as long as you submitted it to the boss at the beginning of the summer, so others knew when they could expect you to be in. One summer, I went for a four-day work week, and regretted it. Ten hours a day was very dreary and exhausting.
The next summer, I went with alternate Fridays off, which was better. But most people ended up taking alternate Friday afternoons off, because even nine days a week resulted in work days that were too long.
I suppose it would be different for different types of jobs. At least in WA and AK, it's common for low-skilled industrial workers to work sixty and sometimes seasonal eighty-hour weeks. You get paid overtime for anything above forty.The added overtime would make these jobs more appealing.
Wimps. No wonder America is going down the tubes.
Try 5x12 hours at night.
Go for the Gusto!
7x12 hours. Three weeks on, three weeks off.
The only guys I knew who did that worked in the marine industry out on the ships. That you?
In a prior life I worked marine SAR and this was 7x12, two on, two off. It was a great schedule for a young person and I sometimes kick myself for leaving it. But the government kept cutting the budget. A floating combo firetruck, ambulance, and towtruck was one thing; a floating hearse was something else again.
The standard rotation in the offshore industry is 7x12 3 on, 3 off. My "rotation" was phone call at 0200, call up a helicopter and out to the rig until whenever.
I did that packaging granola bars 7pm to 7am. Good times.
As a resident physician I regularly worked 36 to 38 hour shifts and 100 to 110 hours per week. Often I would get at least a couple hours of sleep but I recall having twelve 36+ hour shifts (in the ICU or CCU) where I did not even see the call room let alone get any sleep. This was every 4th night call. So work schedule was 36 hours on/ 12 off/ 12 on /12 off/ 12 on / 12 off/ 36 on. It did cut down on the commute a little I suppose bc/ every 4th day you just skipped one trip home and back. And to think the lives of very sick people on life support were in my weary hands!
When I was in med school, the surgery program there had an ICU rotation for the interns where they were on call every other night so it was basically 38 hours on/ 10 off/ 38 hour on... Most of these people were from out of town and had family come into town to live at their apt. or hired people to take care of their affairs for the month.
Now residencies theoretically limit hours to no more than 80 per week and not more than 30 hours straight.
Flexibility is the key. One size does not fit all.
I worked a Mon 13, Tue 13, Thur 14 for a while and it was a great schedule. My job was 'white collar', not sure that I would want to work days that long if I were in construction, but....
After most folks went home at 5 I was able to be much more productive. The phone wasn't ringing, people weren't stopping by the office to shoot the breeze....
Had Wednesday to get the chores done and a three day weekend every week.
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One place that a 3 or 4 day would really improve things is here in the mountains where the Cal Trans crews come out to work on the roads.
They work an 8 hour day. It's about 10am by the time they load up and drive to the site, 10:30 by the time they get the flag stops set up.
They break at 12:00 for lunch. And start packing up to go home about 3:30.
Roughly four hours of paid "work" time on the road each day. One hour setting up, taking down.
Leaves three hours for work. (Fifteen hours out of forty.)
One less work day would add four hours of productivity.
I've worked odd hours sometimes. Some things I loved, some things I didn't. I used to work a night shift at a deli. It was nice to do my shopping at 2 am when there were no crowds around, and to have the days free. OTOH, it was a real drag on my social life, since all my friends socialized in the evenings, while I was at work.
I sometimes work evenings and weekends, and I like the peace of a quiet office. But there are drawbacks. If the network goes down, there's no one to fix it. And the building is often physically uncomfortable, since they turn off the heat/air conditioning outside regular work hours. There are also security issues, like the superior with a drinking problem came in late in order to grope me, knowing I would be alone.
How long is a "ten-hour-day" when you add on an unpaid lunch (lunch is not required to be compensated under Federal Law) and commute times? 11 hours? 12?
This is a terrible idea for lots of workers, especially parents, and laborers, and the physically weakend.
Goose, do you ride? I started at age 11, and 27 years later, I'm still at it. (current ride - '03 BMW R1150GS)
absolutely, damac. I ride four days a week to school...it's absolutely liberating. I've not been in my car much at all lately other than for long-range travel.
I recommend it if it's viable for you, whether biking or scootering or something.
Of course, biking is best for you, but even the scooter, once you get used to it, it really is not that hard. Get some panniers/scooter storage though!
Been riding an Aprillia Scarabeo 50cc scoot ever since a friend in the oil industry said gas is going to the moon shortly. I get 90mpg and the insurance is 102.00 per year. cheap cheap cool down after working 12 on 2 off 8hr shfts.
OCB
Two of the last three companies I've worked for do that. They call it "the nine eighty work week".
The biggest obstacle against it in the other companies I've worked for is management's belief that their customers won't tolerate the plant being shut down every other Friday.
My company does that 4 9 hours days + 1 8 hour day one week, and then 4 9 hour days the next week. This was in response to a request by a local city to have employers get their employees to reduced commutes by 10%. I guess taking 10% of the days out of the picture is easier than trying to get people to carpool or ride public transit. Not all people do it though. People with kids cannot afford the extra hour for the daycare and some people find 9 hour days too long.