Re: Pope to make climate action a moral obligation

I hope that the Pope will mention the need to limit population, perhaps even reduce population to deal with Climate Change and Peak Oil. Any bets?

E. Swanson

This, along with Ahmadinejad, would make the UN an NSSE.

Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens

the Pope authority shrinks as it is (muslims grow faster than catolics)

Which is why the pope discourages condoms. We can't have the catholics being out-breeded by the Muslims.

The best way to encourage people NOT to procreate is to educate them. The more educated a person is, the less likely that they're going to have 8 children.

~Durandal (http://www.wtdwtshtf.com/)

Your assumption is that "education" equals western education and values. The Islamic empire was the most educated and most powerful empire of its time, but its core values differed very markedly from our own. Other societies have been very knowledgeable yet had very different structures than our own because of core value differences.

"Education" is a loaded euphemism that other societies may not choose to embrace. Now I agree that if other societies embrace western values and thinking that this does appear to create social conditions that reduce population growth. But no one has proven that this adoption is inevitable. There is only a near-universal assumption that this mode of thinking and this set of social values should predominate. And even funnier, this usually comes from the very people who promote "multi-culturalism" which leaves me wondering exactly what the heck is so "multi" about "cultures" that all have the same values and thinking processes, other than their ethnic and racial differences (which is exactly what TPTB tries to focus on to keep people apparently divided while the common value system is what keeps them controlled).

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone

Actually, the issue of education relates specifically to women--According to several UN agencies, FAO, UNICEF, etc., providing women with a rudimentary 6th grade level of education results in 50% less fertility almost imediately, with even larger gains overtime. "Higher levels of women's education are strongly associated with both lower infant mortality and lower fertility, as well as with higher levels of education and economic opportunity for their children." http://www.unfpa.org/gender/empowerment.htm

Hi karlof 1, Giving women (and men and children) a better slice of the economic pie could be even more effective. Anyway giving women a better education is just a bit of that isn't it? Give a bunch of people their own land back with a good chief and a good witch doctor and maybe they would blow those UN Stats off the wall?

The state of the world is the result of Western education, maybe we should try something else?

what if you ("american public") are "educated" by advertising, ............buy....consume.....marry and reproduce.......do not question authority......move to a vinyl sided three car garage house in the treeless 'burbs........drive an suv.......consume. c. o. n. s. u. m. e............c o n s u m e...........C O N S U M E................. c o n s u m e

Not in Latin America. There are 500 million mostly Catholics south of the US with a huge growth rate in population. The issue isn't religeous, but grinding poverty combined with gender repression of women causes unrestrained population growth. Plus sex ! There's no population growth without it.
.Bob Ebersole

Evangelicals have made huge strides in Latin America - small family? OK. Enrich yourself? That is OK, too. Sorry, no links, saw it on Tee Vee in an airport or something, but as I recall it was something like 30% of the total population. I found it a bit surprising ...

SacredCowTipper,

Its true about evangelicals, in particular the Pentecostals are getting more prevalent both here and there. Its for a number of reasons, but one of the biggies is divorce.

Catholics excommunicate people who remarry after getting a divorce without church approval (an annulment) but adultery is just a garden variety sin. So when Papa moves out or gets a 20 year old mistress to replace Mama whose face and figure have been ruined by too many kids and a poor diet along with natural wrinkling, Mama's stuck. If she divorces him she can't go to heaven and has no power over Papa with the children grown, so she joins a church where divorce for adultry is possible.
In Latin America thats often the pentecostals, because their preachers are "called", or self-appointed after a few bible courses. Catholics have very few priests for the population, often as low as 1:10,000. Even in the US its 1:3,000. The pentecostals have perhaps 1:200 as a preacher to worshiper ratio. And, Latino society is matriarchal in many ways, where momma goes to church, the family goes to church Bob Ebersole

yeah, those pentecostals ..........rolling around on the floor......speaking in tongues ......holy rollers for short

The Holy See to push population control? FOMALOL...