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Durandal on September 22, 2007 - 9:11am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Which is why the pope discourages condoms. We can't have the catholics being out-breeded by the Muslims.

The best way to encourage people NOT to procreate is to educate them. The more educated a person is, the less likely that they're going to have 8 children.

~Durandal (http://www.wtdwtshtf.com/)

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GreyZone on September 22, 2007 - 2:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Your assumption is that "education" equals western education and values. The Islamic empire was the most educated and most powerful empire of its time, but its core values differed very markedly from our own. Other societies have been very knowledgeable yet had very different structures than our own because of core value differences.

"Education" is a loaded euphemism that other societies may not choose to embrace. Now I agree that if other societies embrace western values and thinking that this does appear to create social conditions that reduce population growth. But no one has proven that this adoption is inevitable. There is only a near-universal assumption that this mode of thinking and this set of social values should predominate. And even funnier, this usually comes from the very people who promote "multi-culturalism" which leaves me wondering exactly what the heck is so "multi" about "cultures" that all have the same values and thinking processes, other than their ethnic and racial differences (which is exactly what TPTB tries to focus on to keep people apparently divided while the common value system is what keeps them controlled).

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone

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karlof1 on September 22, 2007 - 3:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Actually, the issue of education relates specifically to women--According to several UN agencies, FAO, UNICEF, etc., providing women with a rudimentary 6th grade level of education results in 50% less fertility almost imediately, with even larger gains overtime. "Higher levels of women's education are strongly associated with both lower infant mortality and lower fertility, as well as with higher levels of education and economic opportunity for their children." http://www.unfpa.org/gender/empowerment.htm

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CrystalRadio on September 23, 2007 - 1:10pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hi karlof 1, Giving women (and men and children) a better slice of the economic pie could be even more effective. Anyway giving women a better education is just a bit of that isn't it? Give a bunch of people their own land back with a good chief and a good witch doctor and maybe they would blow those UN Stats off the wall?

The state of the world is the result of Western education, maybe we should try something else?

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elwoodelmore on September 23, 2007 - 5:28am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

what if you ("american public") are "educated" by advertising, ............buy....consume.....marry and reproduce.......do not question authority......move to a vinyl sided three car garage house in the treeless 'burbs........drive an suv.......consume. c. o. n. s. u. m. e............c o n s u m e...........C O N S U M E................. c o n s u m e

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