I appreciate how the TOD posters make sure to take into account seasonal characteristics in trends. Lately I have seen way too many economic indicators graphed elsewhere that show trends only over the last year. I really think we have to put a moratorium on any charts that have a time scale less than a few years.

Another way to fudge is to choose a convenient end date. I'd say everything looks up, up, and away!
From EIA - International Energy Data and Analysis

World Crude Oil Production, 1973-2004
Million Barrels per Day

Bondad, who is otherwise ok, does the recent trending a lot:
http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2007/09/gas-market-update.html
for an example of trends only over the last year for gas.

bjj,

That is still one of the most fascinating charts to me, and always keeps me on my toes....

I mean, you want to see the peak, what must have been the REAL CLASSIC PEAK, look at that world profile between 1974 and 1982....is that CLASSIC or not?

Man those were the days....you could get V-8 car engines just for being willing to haul them away, after all, what IDIOT would own a V-8 car coming into what was sure to be a phenomonal crisis!! If I had told you that 20 years from the late 1970's, you would see V-10 and V-12 engines in cars and trucks, you would have said I was COMPLETELY MAD!!

In central Kentucky, a massive Coal to Liquid plant was planned in the late 1970's...it was a done deal, becuase the only thing that could stop it was if crude oil went back down, and what IDIOTIC MORON believed that was going to happen? Helll, even the CIA was telling Jimmy Carter that access to oil was declining around the world.

I still have a copy of a book by a convicted moonshiner who was using solar panels to distill alcohol at home so he could get around...he actually got a permit from the government to do it, so desperate was the government to learn how to make what we now call "bio-fuel".

And my father, who commuted 22 miles to Fort Knox as a civil servent mechanic (working on Army tanks and vehicles) decided he had had enough....so he traded a 1971 Oldsmobile in for a 1976 Diesel Volkswagen Rabbit....even he had thrown in the towel, and admitted that gasoline and oil prices were NOT going to come back down....with the Diesel, his cost per mile actually declined by over half right into the face of the highest oil prices in history....

And then....1982. Oil prices collapsed, the energy industry, both fossil fuel and alternative collapsed. Companies and individuals who had bet the best years of their careers on the PEAK (and I mean look at the chart....it looks even more like a true peak after the fact than did at the time....IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PEAK! But the rear view mirror failed!

Look at the world chart above....consumption did not return to the old 1979-80 high for fifteen years!!

So anytime a "PEAK NOW, HOW CAN IT NOT BE! IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR A STUPID DENIALIST!!" type talks to me....I smile....you bet your money, your lifestyle on your own infallable certainty. As for me, I am hedging. There are a hundred good reasons to reduce fossil fuel consumption. The assurance of peak is not one of them. We better hope that this time it is not a false alarm, or anytime to get people to make commitment to fossil fuel consumption will be lost for a generation....and there really will be little chance of saving ourselves this time.

RC

The big difference between now and then is that if we did find another North Sea there are a whole bunch of Nations ready to mop it all up -not just America, Europe and a few others. The world has changed significantly since the 70s, everyone is coming to the party when the glass is half full aiming for the American Dream at exactly the point that it is about to turn into a nightmare...

Regards, Nick.

Oil prices did not plummet solely because of the North Sea and the North Slope.

Oil prices crashed in 1985-86 because the US convinced the Saudis to open the floodgates. Even though it destroyed the Texas oil industry (sorry, friends of GHWB), it also destroyed the oil revenues of the Soviet Union. That, more than anything, hastened the collapse of the USSR.

Sort of. What were the Saudis going to do? Pump nothing? They held the peg at $30 for as long as they could without going bankrupt.

Uh... NO.

Saudi exported 2.2 Mbbd in 1985, when production was lowest, and prices, in inflation-adjusted 2006 dollars, were $40/bbl.
Revenues = $88M/d

The following year, exports were 3.3 mbpd, a 50% increase. But oil prices in 1986 had fallen to $20/bbl (2006$).
Revenues = $66M/d

SA LOST money by boosting production. They would have had to more than DOUBLE production in order to break even - and that would have sent prices even lower. Ergo, the decision to raise output was obviously NOT driven by financial/economic considerations.

mostly wrong.

OPEC production was spiraling down fast as demand dropped hard and non OPEC production ramped up.

Saudi had seen their production drop from north of 9 MBD to 2 MMBD as they were the only OPEC player willing to cut production and be the swing producer to keep prices up around $30/bbl. At the rate their production was dropping, they'd have been at zero in about a year. They knew full well they'd be taking short term pain to force the others to take a share of the production cuts. They just didn't plan on the pain lasting a decade due to to cheating/economic problems/conservation etc. They chose to defend market share and from time to time hammered Nigeria, Iran, Venz and the other cheaters. Saudi could afford to take a short term hit. The others, not so much.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PEAK

It was the peak. In the US, remember? We drilled hellbent in the '70s and made good money. Paid my sibling's college bills in the 1980s.

And people acted out of fear. The markets disrupted, reorganized and adjusted to the new Situation that THE US (#1 producer and consumer!!!) HAD PEAKED. The FIRST major producer (unless you include Austria:-) to do so. And as you know, USA = WORLD, doesn't it?

But have you forgotten that even "The Global 2000 Report to the President" 1980/82 was following Hubbert's prediction of recoverable oil of ca. 2,000 billion barrels? Deffeyes' peak (Dec. 2005) still holds to a number barely above this one.

And EVEN Ehrlich (in 1977: EcoScience: Population, Resources, Environment), the Pessimist Pope was quoting 1,900gig. (also based on Hubbert) Not far off?!?!?

You (and everyone else back then not making the basic analysis - which is probably your point) were confusing above and below-ground.. Geological expansion was still possible. (admitted: few thought it was probable)

I know you're worried about the hype which goes along with the bad timing of the predictions from the PO community (Campbell) - but your fear that we are about to hit the PO snooze alarm AGAIN is unfounded.

The taps are open. Supply is NOT increasing. Capacity is being used to 100%. Demand destruction has begun.

What more do you want??? If you feel the need to hedge, more power to you!

Cheers, Dom

Just remember the Golden Years, all you at the top!

So anytime a "PEAK NOW, HOW CAN IT NOT BE! IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR A STUPID DENIALIST!!" type talks to me....I smile....you bet your money, your lifestyle on your own infallable certainty.

I won't call anyone a stupid denialist.

Specially to people whose only interest is to stir up confusion and doubt, while deep inside they are fully aware of the problem and "denialist" is the worst word to describe his mental state.

I would call you an actor playing devil's advocate. And only because you would really want that to be the truth. Hell, I also wanted it to be the truth. I hate being called to reason when I'm messing things up while partying. I hate hanghovers. I hate the headaches that follow them.

The EIA guys must really be in la-la land, as per the standard operating procedure for this administration.

If you look at their World Oil Market Analysis document here,, even though it is dated 2007, they show no historical production past 2004. World liquid production goes straight upward to about 120 million bbls per day by 2030.

And best of all, "In North America, U.S. output that rises to 10.1 million barrels per day in 2020 and remains fairly flat through the end of the projection period is expected to be supplemented by significant production increases in Canada."

This is is the best news I've heard all day! The US is going to reverse a 35 year decline, and get to 10 million bbls/day!

It seems that the EIA "lost their minds" sometime around 1995-1996. Of all the things they miss, they miss their minds the most and they haven't found them again.

I noted the same thing on page 32 and I had to laugh, cry, and then wonder what they are taking/smoking?

But for a good time, plot the EIA's production curve out to 2030 as if you were during a a Hubbert Linearization. Besides a "permanent" dog-leg right unlike anything we've ever seen. And if you go to the EIA's site and download the estimate for growth out to a "peak" in 2044, and then plot out their R/P of 10, you'll get the most amazing collapse curve you've ever seen.

I ought to publish my spreadsheet out to the web, but I'm a little busy.