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SacredCowTipper on October 26, 2007 - 4:06pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

You should spend a little less time listening to Rush Limbaugh and a little more time talking with your neighbors. The only ruinous wealth transfer we've seen in this country is the Bush war funded by tax cuts(!) and the privatize and loot dance they do so well.

And if you think foreign policy wouldn't be different you're really not paying attention.

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ozonehole on October 26, 2007 - 5:04pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

There's plenty of room for debate about illegals, ruinous wealth transfer, etc. But one thing I feel pretty confident in saying is that Rush Limbaugh - a big cheerleader for the Iraq war - isn't supporting Ron Paul for president.

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musashi on October 26, 2007 - 5:29pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I have a quite wide range of friends, associates and hang arounds and none of them is really wealthy. Anything from small business owners to professionals and blue collar craftsmen.

Out of several hundred people only two are left wing, and they both are in CA. They are entertaining up to a point.

Many would like to see different conservative leadership though, so to that extent we agree.

Hang around long enough and you might just see the Hillabeast bomb Iran while we are laying on a South American beach with an umbrella drink watching the girls.

See, I actually hope you can convince a bunch of people to try it your way, we don't want the beach to be crowded.

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super390 on October 26, 2007 - 8:32pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The South Americans will be shooting at you because of how they suffered under our attempts to impose "free enterprise" on them the last 20 years. That's what you get for thinking that your right-wing friends aren't wealthy when they make 20 times what folks down there do.

And Musashi, where do you get off damning "inferior", "criminal", "lazy" Latin immigrants at every opportunity, and thinking you can just move to their lands whenever you need someone new to exploit?

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musashi on October 26, 2007 - 10:37pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

There are all sorts of Latin Americans as there are all sorts of people here.
I lived in several Latin American countries long enough to understand them quite well.
There is no doubt in my mind that the upper class in countries like Mexico actively encourages their unemployable social loads to move north. In that sense they are a political football or victims if you wish, but they are the financial responsibility of their own government and not of the American taxpayer.

The same Mexican officials that whine at us actively discourage immigration into their own country by force at their southern border. Like everyone else around here, they want it both ways.

From reading some of your other posts it is clear that you should be able to understand what is going on easily, even if it doesn't fit your views. It is what it is.

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SacredCowTipper on October 26, 2007 - 11:32pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

That is an unsupportable pile of monkey poo that you've just dumped in this thread, sir.

The United States did receive a good lot of undesirables ... from Cuba ... once ... a long time ago. The Cuban government simply drained about 2,500 behavior problems from the prison system and stirred them in with the 125,000 who came here during the Marielito boat lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marielito

Other than this one event a generation ago the people we see coming from Central and South America are generally industrious, law abiding, and very much following in the footsteps of every ethnic group who ever migrated to this country. Most articles I see on the matter indicate concern over the brain drain happening in Mexico as their best and brightest come north, but I do tend to read liberal crap like The Economist and Foreign Affairs. I suppose you've got some peer reviewed wingnuttery that counters this assessment?

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musashi on October 27, 2007 - 2:45am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

You read too much BS.
The truth is that most Mexican professionals don't even want to live here. I have a number of friends down there, they may have studied here, they may come to shop here from time to time but they don't want to live here. Some that came here legally moved back.

IMO there also is no comparison to the Cuban people, I don't know that situation first hand but my impression is that it was a purely political situation.
The situation with the Mexican indians, for lack of a better term, is purely driven by economics on all sides. Their real enemy is their own government. Guess what? They don't want to be here either.

This is a very different situation from a generation or two ago, when people that came here even for economic reasons actually wanted to be integrated into our culture.

You guys can say whatever you want, I spent better then half my 20+ years all over Latin America and know along which lines the various people generally think.
I still ride my bike down there when I feel like it. Nothing happens. The only country down there I wouldn't go alone is Colombia, other then that, no big deal.

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hightrekker on October 27, 2007 - 3:37am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

musashi--
I agree with your comments about Columbia---
Totally off the charts, if you are looking for edge (interrogation by the Columbian Secret Police, DAS, was one of my most unpleasant memories).
Your economic analysis is totally wrong from my experience, having driven the length of Mexico and Central America several times.
You really should educate yourself and visit Argentina, the best model for economic new ideas so far. Latin America is the one bright spot on the planet.
Anyway, with the collapse of the Mexican oil situation, things are going to get interesting fast. I spent last February down in Guerrero, and outright rebellion and supervision is happening now in society.
I have rich friends in Mexico City, and even they see the end.
You need a more developed analysis.
(Not your fault, probably clueless gringo drifting through life)

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