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When you cannot solve the whole problem, solve parts.
German tariff buy backs, or “Solar Lifeboats”. German energy industry was de-monopolized, anyone generating solar electricity can be a power company, selling electricity to the grid at 20% over the cost to buy electricity. They now generate 14% of their power from solar and created 100,000 solar industry jobs.
Economic lifeboats.
To the people in lifeboats, the Titanic's sinking was just a terrifying inconvenience.
I am new here so please forgive the total ignorance. I can see that Peak Oil will result in higher prices but haven't we seen a massive increase since the 1970s for instance without great economic upheavals? What would be different in future?
Availability
Even at its current price, oil is still a bit cheaper than it was at its height in the 1970s, once you account for inflation. We're only at the beginning of the peak-induced run-up in oil prices. Just be patient. In the next 4-8 months you'll start to see major disruptions because of both the price and availability of oil.
Let's get rid of this now.
Inflation is theft and over 80% of us have
not kept up.
The reason for inflation in the first place.
So people like the DoD and the Top 10%
can use "inflation adjusted".
For the rest, it's no accident that 1974 were
the "Bottom 80% "s best years.
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
Don't forget slacks, checks and big collars..Imagine if it was 'The Rockford files' forever....heaven
What happened in the 1970's at the end was the finical markets started to create a worldwide system of oil distribution. The system would created the petro-state, nations that are exporters of oil would be supplied with vitally everything they need. Monetary Inflation was ordered to be under control by the Reagan and in the 1980's and Saudi Arabia started dumping oil on the market - in part some speculate to kill the burgeoning alternative energy movement fostered by Carter but then halted on a governmental level by Reagan.
The upshot is even as as oil increased in price over the years after the 1970's it was under the level of inflation. In the 1980's and 90's the western economy made a transition from heavy industry to information and implemented MPG demands upon cars and enforced the 55 mph speed limit. This heaped curb demand somewhat. In the 80's and 90's within world wide financial markets hard goods such as commodities went out of vogue (oil included).
Now the world wide oil market is simply tapped out. They will never be able to pull out of the ground any more oil then they do now no matter what extraction technology we have to use, in fact we are now seeing declines that will not stop in our lifetimes. What that means to the world economy is, in part what we endlessly debate.
Welcome, Stephan...the vast difference is that we'll see a "fight for a decreasing supply".
That is, as the amount of Oil we can get goes down (it will never actually run out to zero, but it'll get so close we humans won't be able to tell the difference) then the problem becomes"who gets the supply?"
If certain business in the US have their way, Bubba The Big Boned "pickup" driver is owed all the Oil he can buy so he can continue his excessive consumption, because the entire US economy is now so dependant on excess consumption of everything to keep said US economy going. This allocation of resources to Big Bubba is over and above everyone else's trivial requests for Oil to supply unimportant things like fuel for farm machinery. This is especially the case for requests from "other" countries and the "awful foreigners" should realise that the US is far more important than they are and should be grateful for the crumbs they might get and if they keep complaining, welllll (etc). There's plenty in the US who question this alleged logic, as the US' own farmers are also last on the list, it seems.
The farmers are having the last laugh as they change their primary crop from wheat (for food) to corn (for ethanol fuel), and so everyone's food is now more expensive. Wheat prices have rises 120% in this calendar year (2007) alone, thanks to this very trend.
Now, this is what they call "free market rationing" - it's rationing based on price. Whomever can pay for the higher price will get the fuel. If you can't pay (say, like a farmer) then you won't get anything.
So the difference between what happened in the 1970's is that:
#1. That was caused by politics; this is caused by physics (geology) - politicians can be intimidated; physics cannot.
#2. The 1970's DID see great economic upheavals. The "old" pre-1980's central idea was a technocracy based on engineering, which had been the way things had been since the 1790's (yes, you read that correctly...think of when the industrial revolution started). The engineers did not take much notice of the geophysicists when they said ( as M King Hubbard said) that the US - then the world's largest Oil producer - would reach a peak of Oil production in 1970, which it did. When the engineers assumptions (of an ever-cheapening energy supply) ran squarely into the reality of the dead opposite, they came to a shuddering halt. The Economists had been given a huge gain in social articulateness, thanks to the Second World War and the way that engineering had been given it's orders by Economics in the period: war production meant shortages meant economising in the building of everything.
This "new" paradigm of suddenly increasing energy prices, well, heck, the engineers were flummoxed - no-one had told them to expect any such thing! So, given that putting the economists in charge had worked so well in WW 2 , HEY, let's try it now.
The 1970's were the last decade that engineers held any sway, and that was little more than a losing battle, too. By the time that Margaret Thatcher was elected, and then Ronny Ray Gun, the economists had won. This was to be a technocracy, not an engineer lead one, but one where the Economists were in charge. Now, the economy could be predicted, shaped, changed...MOULDED, made into something that would never depend (yada yada yada)...and everyone would be the beneficiary of it. If they could pay. The near Civil War that Thatchernomics unleashed on Britain was only solved by the North Sea Oil which Maggot Hatcher dumped on the world market at US$10.40 per barrel at a time when the Free market was trading Oil at US$40 per barrel. So much for the idea of governments never interfering in the free market. As the North Sea Oil flowed, Oil prices plummeted, thus driving down fuel prices, thus driving down social discontent. Hey, this economist lead technocracy MUST be good, right? So, the economists ideas of greed being good must also be OK, right?
Welll...greed will Drive Oil prices up, (and thus fuel prices) and when it does watch the Social Discontent go through the roof. By the time Margaret Thatcher was finished with Britain, it had been made over so it was so much less self-sufficient in everything, especially money. It was so much more dependant on the largess of complete strangers (the traders in the Free Market) in a way that will come back to haunt it, rather badly.
What North Sea Oil did for Britain, Cantarell did for Mexico and North America in general: an economic BOOM. As the confused post-Empire economically battered Britain of the 1970's became the Cool Britannia of the 1990's, so too Mexico went from complete basket case to merely being economically backward. Watch the reversal of these trends in the next few years.
This (the North Sea Oil and Cantarell Oil) is why the Economic mess of the 1970's became the spin-doctored upbeat 1980's, the frenetic 1990's and rising energy prices is why the years of this decade are so confused, bewildered and dissatisfied.
Cool Britannia no more. North Sea Oil is in massive decline. Cantarell is well on it's way to becoming CAN'T tarell. The two Oil Fields which allowed the Economic Rationalists and free-marketeers to crow about how they had defeated the forces of anti-globalisation and so forth...well, those two Oil fields are gonners. Expect the Economists to be shortly dethroned and somebody else put in their place.
The mechanism of 1970's chaos is back - rising energy prices and those in charge insisting they shouldn't - and is going to cause lots of problems, shortly.
I, myself, do not believe that engineering will be allowed back in charge. For one thing, the powers that be like to make a Quick Buck and engineering is a slow, steady income. Probably ever-more-outlandish schemes will be tried such as the Elf-Aquitaine scandal, where (according to Carl Sagan):
"High French officials, including a former president of France, arranged for millions of dollars to be invested in a scam (the Elf-Aquitaine scandal) to find new petroleum reserves from the air.
http://godslasteraar.org/assets/ebooks/Sagan_Carl_Does_truth_matter_-_Sc... (PDF WARNING...reference about 1/3rd of the way down the page)
The scandal developed into a full-blown political scandal after the various corruption of the ELF company was revealed.
Get used to Elf-Aquitaines in every part of the world, shortly. You have been warned.
They [Germany] now generate 14% of their power from solar
Link please.
Alan
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2007/07/30/cloudy_germa...
This is the closest stat I Could find that was relevant.
Looks like currently Germany gets about 13% of its power from renewables, not just solar.
Another quote from the article:
Makes you wonder why Germany has one of the highest electricity tarrifs in Europe. I pity the German customers if their government presses ahead both with liberalization and its stated goals for electricity from renewables.
That is absolutely true. However, this in turn is creating an incentive for Europe to build solar farms in North Africa, connected to the European grid by undersea lines. Labor-intensive solar thermal replacing oil in North Africa as the main source of political power could be the first good thing that has happened there since whitey started pointing cannon at them. Oil just doesn't produce enough jobs within 3rd World societies... and even LevinK doesn't want them Moslems all building their own nuclear reactors.
I don't think it matters what I want or I don't want.
It is my opinion that energy exporting countries will be the first to turn to nuclear and press ahead with it - their domestic resources are way too precious to burn at home when their whole economy depends on exporting them. Russia already got the idea and commenced a program for doubling its nuclear generation within 20 years.
IMO the only thing we could do about this is try to control the process not to foster proliferation - and as much as I dislike the Bush administration the GNEP initiative is the best idea that has come around for doing it.
As to whether energy exporting countries will turn to solar instead I am a little bit sceptical. Even if solar costs come down there will need to be some kind of energy storage to make it work on very large scale... Building pumped hydro in the desert is hardly an option and other options like hydrogen or batteries are either inefficient or too costly even for the Arab sheiks.
If you were in lethal need of a lifeboat, I doubt you would complain that it cost too much to have had the foresight to build one.
It may be that if there is a great die off, people with foresight, might be survive.
And it may be that "the luck of the draw" with a zillion things nobody considered correctly is the final arbiter of what is future "good taste."
Did you see Saved by the Sun on NOVA? Germany is on schedule to have 30% of it's electricity produced by renewables by 2020.
Here's the segment on Germany - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKFZyu1mjQE
Alan asked a fairly concrete question - how much is produced by solar in Germany now.
Your answer is that Germany is "on schedule" (yeah) to produce 30% of its electricity from renewables in 2020.
Given that the term "renewables" lumps together hydro, biomass, wind, waste, solar etc. you can hardly call this an answer to his question, can you?
Didn't you say you weren't going to post here any more?
Lots of people say that.
Yes but I like the quality of information you provide too much.
German energy industry was de-monopolized
So 4 major suppliers, who own the entire grid, are "de-monopolized"?
Now it's called oligopoly ;)
There are indeed four major suppliers. Two of them are owned by large state-ownned companies from France (EDF) and Sweden (Vattenfall). But the two big german suppliers RWE and e.on have as well a lot of utilities abroad.
There are as well around 4 suppliers which entirely supply renewable electricity. For example, I pay my bills to a supplier which is a co-op owned by its customers and interested people, where nobody can get a majority of. After 5 years - they promise - every new customer's got a newly built capacity (so far this coop has 65,000 customers).
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The german in-feed law is the most effective law to support the renewable energy industry and its technological development. I prefer paying a higher price for electricity. Using (which means paying for) renewable elctricity means not paying money to big suppliers and normally not paying natural gas bills to Russia or somewhere else.
And: It is necessary to have this industry now.
matthias, berlin
De-monopolized does not mean no big companies. It means there are niches where small companies are allowed to sell their abilities.
The US communications industry and the Internet has major players but it does not exclude a YouTube from forming.
Innovation is likely to come from the fringe.
What we are currently doing, has not solved the problem. So it is likely something we are not doing will have to be tried. Maybe a whole bunch of things need to be tried.
Monopolies do not allow economic Darwinism.
Solar is peaking power. Solar should sell for a lot more than 20% over baseline power.
Oops, that's 20% of retail power, not wholesale power. So I guess it's not so bad.
Remember, the rich first class passengers didn't die, but they did lose all their luggage.