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westexas on November 3, 2007 - 4:32pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I'm sure that there a lots of good people that work for financial institutions, but one of very few good things to come out of the financial meltdown and Peak Oil is that a lot of the bloodsuckers are going to be out on the street.

I'm sure you know what the credit card industry calls people who don't carry balances on their cards: "deadbeats."

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SacredCowTipper on November 3, 2007 - 5:16pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

:-(

I was a gratuitous deadbeat until last month - four years I'd had the card, $2,300 limit, and I have 41,000 "points" - that would be $41,000 cycled through it over the time. Every once in a while a $500 balance would sneak through, but it wasn't often.

Now work is slow, I'm hurt, payment is late, and the $410 rebate I am due can't be applied to my balance due to my card's "status". If I have the $200 to bring it current then I can get the $410 I've "earned".

Capital One has "earned" a good snipping once I retrieve my $410 and pay off the balance ...

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westexas on November 3, 2007 - 5:41pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I still have fresh memories of 1999, $10 oil and how tough it was to pay all of the bills on time. Matter of fact, I'm still in the $10 oil office I moved into in 1999--crowded, but functional--and I'm driving the same Toyota that I was driving at that time too.

Once you have been through the wringer a couple of times, old habits die hard. Besides, as I said before I suspect that conspicuous consumption is going to become both stupid and socially unacceptable.

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woodychuck on November 4, 2007 - 10:52am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I understand the $10 oil office. I moved mine then as well, but fixed a pot of $8.00 beans this last week. My (new) wife doesn't understand, thinks $87.00 beans, where you just eat the steak and asparagus and leave the beans for another day, looks better. All the same, we spent yesterday building a new fence to keep a neighbors calves off our pretty good pasture so we can use it for our own horses and cow.

Now, about those durn horses. She can't accept that we may need them to get to the wells if gas gets really tight. I hope that we can get enough gas for the pumpers so I don't have to double up - don't think the horse wants that either.

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jokuhl on November 3, 2007 - 11:50pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Very Glad I got away from Capital One..
Scary the way their hooks got in..
Snip 'em as soon as you're able.

Bob

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airdale on November 4, 2007 - 6:19am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

SCT and possibly others,

There is NOTHING like divorce to wake one up to reality.

I have been in and out of divorce court, lawyers, arguing, hassles and all the rest of it for three years..

One finally develops a very tough layer of new skin and a different outlook on the world and society and the other sex.

No more,,I promised , never again,never would I allow anyone to paint me into a corner again or put me in a box situation.Never.

I will be responsible to no one ever again except myself.

When I left the military I wished to marry and raise a family. Due to strange shifts in our American morals and society that went topsy turvy.

I finally discovered one fact..the word 'love' is naught but a codeword..designed to screw over people. Used by miscreants and bullshitters simply to use other people.

Never shake the hand of someone you don't respect.When anyone starts a big line of bullshit, turn, walk away and don't look back. Never listen to the twaddle on 'reality shows', Oprah or Dr. Phil and the like..Believe nothing unless you can prove it to yourself.

Pay your bills , sleep well and find some friends you can really trust.Never loan them money though. If you do them a favor and they never repay the favors? Lose them. If you go to church...never never never go forward. Make your promises and vows to 'yourself'. Not to others. If you say you are going to do something,,then do it. Live in the country and own your property,free and clear,and then you have real freedom and can do exactly as you like..Screw the rest.

airdale-good dogs,well trained make excellent companions

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710 on November 4, 2007 - 8:38am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

It wasn't just society-at-large's understanding of energy that was broken.

Society's understanding of how humans function socially and developmentally was also broken, and thus the system of law is broken. Society's understanding of sexual relationships and gender roles is broken.

The deep, fundamental, systemic flaws in our civilized way of life have always been masked by our exploitation of human and natural resources which fueled our growth.

"I will be responsible to no one ever again except myself."

This philosophy is part of what has brought us to where we are today, and will be increasingly unsustainable with the decline of cheap energy. No man is an island, entire unto itself. There is no community of one.

But there's nothing wrong with enlightened self-interest.

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airdale on November 4, 2007 - 9:37am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"No man is an island, entire unto itself. There is no community of one."

Some nice homilies..worthless since they are not being applied to 'self' like mine are....your speaking of community and you cannot control community...whereas I can ,and you can to, have control over and of yourself...

Community might take your life if it doesn't think you are doing as they like...

Thats why we live in a land that has plenty of freedom yet community constantly strives to limit that individual freedom.

For instance..one used to have control of one's children..a father or mother had the right to chastise and punish wrong or bad behaviour(the family is NOT a community)..and the community had no right to interfere...years ago the 'community' took more and more control of my offspring..to the point that they were no longer under me or my wife's control...

We now see the evidence of that stupidity. Dumbed down children, children who have no real future..and the list is long.....

I know you will disagree but that matters not a whit..I am in charge of myself. As long as I do not take away others rights then I have all my own personal rights.

Perhaps called libertarian but I don't consider myself aught but a normal person who desires his own right to chose his lifestyle.

Go ahead and think that when TSHTF that suddenly , very suddenly all the aberrant behaviour that we see in our society is going to change overnite and we will all love one another and just have common hugfests.

You will die as the grouphugs fail to produce a livelhood and those in charge take what you have.

Good luck with that...I think your a youngster with rose colored glasses...more and more I see this on TOD of late.
Its wishful thinking.

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SacredCowTipper on November 4, 2007 - 10:05am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

When the kids are not small they're no longer your children, they're her children, and if she isn't really capable prejudices are such that they become the state's children.

Mine are lucky. When my wife was incapable mommy's money and the strong Jewish community frowned at her misbehavior and the nanny held things together. I've met some other fellows caught in this trap and the poor children ... well ... someone should be beaten ... repeatedly ... and I'm not sure who. A shotgun and bow season on the so called "family law attorney" would be an excellent start at correcting the problem, and instead of criminal charges a small bounty from the county agent like they used to give for pocket gopher feet ...

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WNC Observer on November 4, 2007 - 1:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

airdale:

I think that Robert Frost had it just about right:

"Good fences make good neighbors"

Mending Wall

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